From: jsa@alexandria.organon.com (Jon S Anthony)
Subject: Re: Interface/Implementation (was Re: Design by Contract)
Date: 1997/09/06
Date: 1997-09-06T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <JSA.97Sep6153702@alexandria.organon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: slrn611l25.mp.kennel@lyapunov.ucsd.edu
In article <slrn611l25.mp.kennel@lyapunov.ucsd.edu> kennel@nospam.lyapunov.ucsd.edu (Matt Kennel (Remove 'NOSPAM' to reply)) writes:
> :should only depend on what has come before. So yes, if there is a
> :dependency ordering between two subprogram bodies, then either the
> :dependent body must follow the other, or a specification for the body must
> :preceed the dependent body (subprogram specs can appear in the package
> :body).
>
> Wow. That is a really antideluvian mode of thought.
Actually it is merely one way of getting at "consistent" elaboration
for consistent execution results. It really has nothing to do with
compiling technology.
> :That there is a dependency-related ordering in Ada (both 83 and 95) is by
> :design; that was the precise intent of Ada's designers. This should be
> :regarded as a Good Thing, because it makes it easier for the human reader
> :to apprehend program text.
>
> Does it, really?
Who knows? In some cases, yes, in others no. More to the point, who
cares? That's not what it's about anyway.
> In real life could I even REMEMBER which identifiers were identified
> when? Or is this something that a computer can only remember
> perfectly?
Obviously if you trip, it's the job of the compiler to tell you.
> In real life, while I'm programming, why am I supposed to have to
> remember which things are "before" and "after", in some silly
> conflation of location in a text document with 'time'? Assuming I
> don't have a single source file, is this at all justifiable?
Well, this is (as I'm sure you realize) a strawman. I mean you don't
have to remember anything as the compiler will tell you if you got it
wrong. Is this "justifiable"? Well, it is one way to resolve
elaboration problems. If you think that's rubbish, well, then I guess
you don't think it's justifiable. Shrug.
/Jon
--
Jon Anthony
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"Nightmares - Ha! The way my life's been going lately,
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1997-08-28 0:00 ` Interface/Implementation (was Re: Design by Contract) Tucker Taft
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
[not found] ` <EFqDC8.342@ecf.toronto.edu>
1997-09-02 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-09-03 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
1997-09-03 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-03 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
[not found] ` <EFyrH2.7z2@syd.csa.com.au>
1997-09-04 0:00 ` Joerg Rodemann
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Don Harrison
[not found] ` <340fdb9f.0@news.uni-ulm.de>
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-04 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-05 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-05 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-09-10 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Code ordering Steve Furlong
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Interface/Implementation (was Re: Design by Contract) Robert Dewar
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-10 0:00 ` One pass compilation? W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Interface/Implementation (was Re: Design by Contract) Robert Dewar
1997-09-08 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-08 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Matt Kennel (Remove 'NOSPAM' to reply)
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony [this message]
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-09-07 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-07 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-17 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-13 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Lee Webber
1997-09-15 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-18 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-18 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-09-20 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Samuel T. Harris
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-09-13 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1997-09-17 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-18 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Frederic Guerin
1997-09-08 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-09-09 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
[not found] ` <dewar.873826570@merv>
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-07 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-08 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-09 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-17 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-04 0:00 ` Erik Ernst
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-01 0:00 ` Matt Kennel (Remove 'NOSPAM' to reply)
1997-09-02 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-09-03 0:00 ` Matt Kennel (Remove 'NOSPAM' to reply)
1997-09-15 0:00 Marc Wachowitz
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Owen Fellows
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1997-09-12 0:00 Marc Wachowitz
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Samuel T. Harris
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-15 0:00 ` Samuel T. Harris
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-09 0:00 Marc Wachowitz
1997-09-15 0:00 ` Owen Fellows
1997-10-13 0:00 ` Bill Foote
1997-09-06 0:00 Ell
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
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1997-09-01 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-02 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-08-07 0:00 Safety-critical development in Ada and Eiffel Ken Garlington
1997-08-12 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-08-25 0:00 ` Design by Contract Bertrand Meyer
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1997-08-26 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
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1997-08-27 0:00 ` Interface/Implementation (was Re: Design by Contract) Bertrand Meyer
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1997-08-27 0:00 ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
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1997-08-30 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-02 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-02 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-03 0:00 ` Don Harrison
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1997-09-04 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-09-04 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-05 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-08 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-08 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Robert S. White
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
1997-09-14 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Matt Kennel (Remove 'NOSPAM' to reply)
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1997-09-05 0:00 ` Franck Arnaud
1997-09-04 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-09 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Joerg Rodemann
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Joerg Rodemann
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Matt Austern
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-13 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Robert S. White
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-13 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-13 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-08-28 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
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1997-08-28 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
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1997-09-01 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
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1997-08-29 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
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