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From: jsa@alexandria.organon.com (Jon S Anthony)
Subject: Re: The great Java showcase (re: 2nd historic mistake)
Date: 1997/09/02
Date: 1997-09-02T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <JSA.97Sep2175302@alexandria.organon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: dewar.873149189@merv



In article <dewar.873149189@merv> dewar@merv.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) writes:

> JOn said
> 
> "several factors".  Let's face, getting even a 10% advantage is a rare
> thing.  OTOH, even a 10% advantage must then be characterized as a
> "big deal".  Personally, I think GC varies anywhere from 0% to maybe
> 15-20% depending on the application characteristics.
> >>
> 
> Absolutely, gains of 10 or 20% are very significant and very important
> to pursue. The trouble is that if people really start to believe the
> "several hundred percent" or "order of magnitude improvement" claims,
> they may overlook the achievable smaller bug significant gains.

Absolutely agreed.  The importance of this is really hard to
over-emphasize as you can lose site of very real and tangible gains.
Gains that are quite readily seen but are dismissed as not being "good
enough", simply because they aren't that "magic bullet" level
increase.  But the latter is largely a fiction and so you simply mire
yourself into non-progressing technology.  A 10% here a 20% there
etc. really begins to add up over the long term and eventually we
might actually get this "several factors" over the course of building
on these very real "small gains".  That's why the overly prevalent
"all or nothing" attitude in this business is so destructive and self
defeating.

/Jon

-- 
Jon Anthony
OMI, Belmont, MA 02178, 617.484.3383 
"Nightmares - Ha!  The way my life's been going lately,
 Who'd notice?"  -- Londo Mollari




  reply	other threads:[~1997-09-02  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 112+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1997-08-25  0:00 The great Java showcase (re: 2nd historic mistake) Bertrand Meyer
1997-08-26  0:00 ` BruceMount
1997-08-28  0:00   ` Brett J. Stonier
     [not found]     ` <JSA.97Aug28182029@alexandria.organon.com>
     [not found]       ` <3406C150.3EE5EE0E@stratasys.com>
1997-08-29  0:00         ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-29  0:00           ` Jay Martin
1997-08-29  0:00             ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-02  0:00             ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-15  0:00       ` Tim Ottinger
     [not found]   ` <5u0nil$atg@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
1997-08-28  0:00     ` Richard A. O'Keefe
     [not found]       ` <5u3o1n$hu5@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
1997-08-28  0:00         ` Nick Leaton
1997-09-15  0:00       ` Tim Ottinger
1997-09-16  0:00         ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-08-28  0:00     ` not
1997-08-26  0:00 ` Flavius.Vespasianus
     [not found] ` <JSA.97Aug26153546@alexandria.organon.com>
     [not found]   ` <34034658.7DE14518@eiffel.com>
1997-08-27  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-27  0:00 ` James P. White
     [not found]   ` <34047A7D.62319AC4@eiffel.com>
1997-08-27  0:00     ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-08-27  0:00       ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-08-28  0:00         ` Flavius.Vespasianus
1997-08-28  0:00       ` James P. White
1997-08-28  0:00       ` Mike Coffin
1997-08-29  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-30  0:00           ` James P. White
1997-08-31  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-29  0:00       ` Dennis Weldy
1997-09-03  0:00         ` Charles Ditzel
1997-08-27  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]   ` <01bcb38a$8ddc1200$1c10d30a@ntwneil>
1997-08-28  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-29  0:00       ` Lee Webber
1997-08-28  0:00     ` James P. White
1997-08-28  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-28  0:00       ` James P. White
     [not found]         ` <EFnKuI.4rI@ecf.toronto.edu>
1997-08-29  0:00           ` Memory management techniques -- was Re: The great Java showcase Jon S Anthony
1997-08-30  0:00         ` The great Java showcase (re: 2nd historic mistake) Bert Bril
1997-08-31  0:00           ` Jay Martin
1997-08-29  0:00       ` Lee Webber
     [not found]       ` <EFn8CI.D9p@ecf.toronto.edu>
1997-08-29  0:00         ` Peter Hermann
1997-08-29  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-30  0:00           ` Patrick Doyle
1997-08-31  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-01  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-02  0:00               ` Jon S Anthony [this message]
1997-09-05  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-06  0:00                   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-29  0:00         ` Arthur Nelson
1997-08-29  0:00           ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-01  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-29  0:00         ` Laurent Guerby
     [not found]           ` <EFonoz.AFC@ecf.toronto.edu>
1997-08-29  0:00             ` Samuel Mize
1997-08-29  0:00       ` Mike Charlton
     [not found]         ` <N.19970829.uput@sisyphus.demon.co.uk>
1997-09-02  0:00           ` Mike Charlton
1997-09-03  0:00             ` Dave Sparks
     [not found] ` <3402FD4D.C196785B@brightwood.com>
1997-08-27  0:00   ` Patrick Doyle
1997-08-28  0:00   ` Paul Johnson
1997-08-28  0:00     ` Jeff Brown
1997-08-28  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-29  0:00       ` Paul Johnson
1997-08-28  0:00     ` Brett J. Stonier
     [not found] <5tvvsj$lh2$1@news2.digex.net>
1997-08-27  0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-08-27  0:00   ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-08-27  0:00 ` Jeff Brown
1997-08-28  0:00   ` Patrick Doyle
1997-08-28  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-28  0:00 ` Brett J. Stonier
1997-08-28  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-29  0:00     ` James P. White
1997-08-29  0:00   ` Paul Johnson
1997-08-29  0:00     ` Brett J. Stonier
1997-08-29  0:00     ` Dennis Weldy
     [not found]     ` <5u6ovi$5kb$1@news2.digex.net>
1997-09-01  0:00       ` Paul Johnson
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1997-08-29  0:00 Ell
1997-08-29  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-29  0:00   ` Jay Martin
1997-08-30  0:00   ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-08-30  0:00   ` Patrick Doyle
1997-08-30  0:00     ` Jay Martin
1997-09-01  0:00   ` Paul Johnson
1997-09-01  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-02  0:00       ` Martin Tom Brown
1997-09-02  0:00       ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-09-03  0:00         ` Robert Munck
1997-09-05  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-02  0:00       ` Jeff Kotula
1997-09-02  0:00       ` Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
1997-09-08  0:00       ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-09-13  0:00         ` Mark S. Hathaway
1997-09-16  0:00           ` Des  Kenny
1997-10-28  0:00           ` John English
1997-09-16  0:00         ` Des  Kenny
1997-09-16  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-05  0:00     ` Darren New
1997-09-02  0:00   ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-05  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-15  0:00   ` Tim Ottinger
1997-09-16  0:00     ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-18  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-16  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-29  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-29  0:00 ` Brett J. Stonier
1997-08-29  0:00 Ell
1997-08-30  0:00 BruceMount
1997-09-04  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
     [not found] <97090916235363@psavax.pwfl.com>
1997-09-11  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-15  0:00 Ell
1997-09-16  0:00 ` Tim Ottinger
1997-09-17  0:00 ` Doc
1997-09-17  0:00 Ell
1997-09-16  0:00 ` Mark Wilden
1997-09-17  0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-17  0:00 ` Robert B. Love 
1997-09-17  0:00 Ell
1997-09-17  0:00 Ell
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