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From: jsa@alexandria (Jon S Anthony)
Subject: Re: CRC in Ada?
Date: 1997/03/14
Date: 1997-03-14T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <JSA.97Mar14161230@alexandria> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 5g98ai$gqi@news2.delphi.com


In article <5g98ai$gqi@news2.delphi.com> tmoran@bix.com writes:


> calls) are less portable.  It's hard to argue strongly for Ada while
> also saying "except for the parts Ada can't do well" (even if that

I know what you are trying to get at here.  But the odd thing is, this
sort of thing is true of anything (in this context: PL), so why isn't
it hard to argue for, say, C while also saying "except for the parts C
can't do well".  Like nearly _all_ the aspects of any major piece of
software - not some of the low level bit twiddly stuff on some
platforms.


> translated a small program from C to Ada and found it ten times
> slower.  I don't know what happened in that particular case, but often
> that sort of thing results not in investigation of how to get around
> the weak points of the Ada compiler/library, but rather in non-use of
> Ada because "Ada is ten times slower".

Yes, that's the sort of myopia that does abound.  But, why only here?
After all, there are a lot of stories that I know of personally where
the gist is something like: "Yeah, we used C for this large piece of
work which needed to run on many platforms.  We had tons of your
typical SIGSEGV problems and memory leaks up the wazoo. And to make
the code portable we had a nightmare with all the #ifdefs in the
source.  But we basically got it done and now we're looking at doing
something similar for this other project."

Why wasn't the reaction, "This experience has led us to reject out of
hand the use of C again for nearly all the major work on this new
project.  Certain bits will be more appropriate in C, but most of it
will be in X.  Quite frankly, the idea of using C here would make us
all want to head for the hills as fast as possible."

>   There should be *very* few cases where C is the more appropriate
> language.

There *are* very few *places* (areas, kind of work, what-have-you)
where C is the more appropriate language.

/Jon

-- 
Jon Anthony
Organon Motives, Inc.
Belmont, MA 02178
617.484.3383
jsa@organon.com





  parent reply	other threads:[~1997-03-14  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 140+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1997-03-13  0:00 CRC in Ada? tmoran
1997-03-13  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-14  0:00   ` Joakim Olsson
1997-03-14  0:00   ` Tom Moran
1997-03-15  0:00   ` Tom Moran
1997-03-14  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony [this message]
1997-03-14  0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1997-03-02  0:00 Dr. John B. Matthews
1997-03-03  0:00 ` Tom Moran
1997-03-03  0:00 ` David Brown
1997-03-04  0:00 ` Stephen Garriga
1997-03-04  0:00   ` Matthew Heaney
1997-03-04  0:00   ` Tom Moran
1997-03-04  0:00     ` Stephen Garriga
1997-03-04  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-05  0:00     ` Stephen Garriga
1997-03-15  0:00     ` Michael & Amy Hartsough
1997-03-16  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-16  0:00         ` Michael & Amy Hartsough
1997-03-16  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-18  0:00             ` Michael & Amy Hartsough
1997-03-19  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-20  0:00                 ` Michael & Amy Hartsough
1997-03-22  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-22  0:00                   ` Mark & Zurima McKinney
1997-03-22  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-21  0:00                 ` Tom Moran
1997-03-23  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-23  0:00                     ` Tom Moran
1997-03-24  0:00                     ` Robert A Duff
1997-03-24  0:00                       ` Larry Kilgallen
1997-03-24  0:00                         ` Robert A Duff
1997-03-24  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-24  0:00                       ` Robert A Duff
1997-03-25  0:00                     ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-04-01  0:00                 ` David Emery
1997-03-07  0:00   ` John Apa
1997-03-04  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-03-05  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-04  0:00 ` David L Brown
1997-03-04  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-05  0:00   ` Stephen Garriga
1997-03-05  0:00     ` Larry Kilgallen
1997-03-05  0:00       ` Robert A Duff
1997-03-05  0:00         ` Larry Kilgallen
1997-03-06  0:00           ` Fergus Henderson
1997-03-06  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-06  0:00             ` Larry Kilgallen
1997-03-06  0:00               ` Robert A Duff
1997-03-07  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-07  0:00                 ` Larry Kilgallen
1997-03-07  0:00                   ` Tom Moran
     [not found]                     ` <1997Mar7.202252.1@eisner>
1997-03-08  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-09  0:00                         ` Geert Bosch
1997-03-11  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-12  0:00                             ` Mats Weber
1997-03-12  0:00                               ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-10  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-10  0:00                       ` Tom Moran
1997-03-12  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-10  0:00                     ` Dr. John B. Matthews
1997-03-07  0:00                   ` Robert A Duff
1997-03-10  0:00                   ` Jim Balter
1997-03-10  0:00               ` Jim Balter
1997-03-06  0:00           ` Robert A Duff
1997-03-06  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-09  0:00               ` Dr. John B. Matthews
1997-03-06  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-06  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-06  0:00             ` Larry Kilgallen
1997-03-10  0:00           ` Tarjei Jensen
1997-03-10  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-10  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-10  0:00               ` Graham Hughes
1997-03-11  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-11  0:00                   ` Graham Hughes
1997-03-12  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-10  0:00           ` David Brown
1997-03-12  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-11  0:00           ` Mark & Zurima McKinney
1997-03-12  0:00           ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-03-12  0:00           ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-03-13  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-03-13  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-14  0:00               ` Jim Balter
1997-03-14  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-03-15  0:00             ` Dr. John B. Matthews
1997-03-15  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-17  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-03-06  0:00       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-03-07  0:00       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-03-07  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-08  0:00           ` Robert A Duff
1997-03-10  0:00           ` Jim Balter
1997-03-11  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-11  0:00               ` Jim Balter
1997-03-11  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-12  0:00                   ` Jim Balter
1997-03-14  0:00                     ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-03-14  0:00                       ` Jim Balter
1997-03-06  0:00   ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-03-06  0:00     ` Larry Kilgallen
1997-03-09  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-06  0:00     ` Graham Hughes
1997-03-06  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-07  0:00   ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-03-07  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-08  0:00       ` Fergus Henderson
1997-03-10  0:00       ` Jim Balter
1997-03-11  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-11  0:00           ` Jim Balter
1997-03-12  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-12  0:00               ` Jim Balter
1997-03-14  0:00                 ` Samuel Mize
1997-03-11  0:00           ` Jim Balter
1997-03-11  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-12  0:00               ` Jim Balter
1997-03-07  0:00   ` David Brown
1997-03-07  0:00   ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-03-10  0:00   ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-03-10  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-10  0:00       ` Jim Balter
1997-03-11  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-11  0:00           ` Jim Balter
1997-03-11  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-12  0:00               ` Jim Balter
1997-03-11  0:00       ` Fergus Henderson
1997-03-10  0:00   ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-03-11  0:00   ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-03-12  0:00   ` Jim Balter
1997-03-12  0:00   ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-03-12  0:00   ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-03-05  0:00 ` Laurent Pautet
1997-03-05  0:00 ` David C. Hoos, Sr.
1997-03-06  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
2013-11-14 17:39 ` david
2013-11-14 18:55   ` Adam Beneschan
2013-11-14 19:35   ` tmoran
2013-11-14 20:09   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
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