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From: jsa@alexandria.organon.com (Jon S Anthony)
Subject: Re: ada and robots
Date: 1997/06/05
Date: 1997-06-05T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <JSA.97Jun4200305@alexandria.organon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: gwinn-0306971836410001@smc19.ed.ray.com



> memory correctly.  Ada95 is claimed to be better, but I don't have
> any direct experience with it.

Significantly better.  Quite different.


> Actually, not many people do just yet.

Au contrair - many are using it.

Get it _free_ if you like (binaries for most everything) at

ftp://cs.nyu.edu/pub/gnat/

> I suspect that most people are using C (perhaps called from Ada) for
> direct control of I/O hardware and the like.

Well, that's also quite possible as Ada95 provides out of the box
standard built in connection to C (and Fortran).

> Not all Ada compilers offer adequate support for such mixed-language

All Ada95 compilers do.

> VxWorks system, let alone execute the code and debug.  Insisting on a true
> and accurate demo saved our butts.)

Sound enough advice.  You can check this for yourself with Ada95 via
the free (industrial strength, I might add) compilers mentioned above.


> likely cause the Ada compiler and tools market to shrink to perhaps as
> little as one tenth of its prior size, and that significant added
> investment in Ada compilers and tools is therefore unlikely, at least

Nothing like good ol' FUD.  These 1/10's and 1/100's are just pulled
from where the sun doesn't shine.  Where are the studies?  Quote them
please.


> until the size of the remaining market becomes clear.  A significant
> shrink is widely expected

By who (or is that "whom"?)?  In any event, the opposite has seemed to
have been happening.  This is largely the result of free and cheap
compilers with full typical Windoze IDEs - check Aonix for example:
http://www.thomsoft.com/Products/Ada/ada.html

Also, only in the land of software would anyone actually suggest that
one should not use a better tool, technique, process, whatever to
build your product, because most of your _competition_ is using the
inferior tool, technique, process, whatever.


/Jon
-- 
Jon Anthony
Organon Motives, Inc.
Belmont, MA 02178
617.484.3383
jsa@organon.com





  parent reply	other threads:[~1997-06-05  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 134+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1997-05-28  0:00 ada and robots John Bohn
1997-05-29  0:00 ` Stephen Leake
1997-05-29  0:00 ` Michael F Brenner
1997-05-30  0:00 ` John Cook
1997-05-30  0:00   ` Tom Moran
1997-06-01  0:00     ` Dale Stanbrough
1997-06-02  0:00       ` John G. Volan
     [not found]         ` <5mv984$7kn@news.emi.com>
1997-06-03  0:00           ` Martin A. Stembel
1997-06-03  0:00           ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-04  0:00             ` John G. Volan
1997-06-05  0:00               ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-14  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-17  0:00                   ` Joe Gwinn
1997-07-03  0:00                     ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
     [not found]               ` <9706052229.AA29554@jaguar.nmc.ed.ray.com>
1997-06-06  0:00                 ` John G. Volan
1997-06-07  0:00                   ` RC
1997-06-09  0:00                   ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-04  0:00             ` Pat Rogers
1997-06-05  0:00               ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-14  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-16  0:00                 ` Ken Garlington
1997-06-16  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-17  0:00                   ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-28  0:00                     ` Mike Stark
1997-07-03  0:00                       ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-05  0:00             ` Jon S Anthony [this message]
1997-06-05  0:00               ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-14  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-10  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-10  0:00               ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-11  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-12  0:00                   ` George Haddad
1997-06-16  0:00                   ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-06-17  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-17  0:00                     ` Robert A Duff
1997-06-18  0:00                       ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-17  0:00                         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-06-20  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-20  0:00                       ` Adam Beneschan
1997-06-17  0:00                     ` Stephen Leake
1997-06-17  0:00                       ` Robert A Duff
1997-06-20  0:00                       ` jim granville
1997-06-21  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-24  0:00                           ` Re(dux): Ada for small machines (was Re: ada and robots) Ken Garlington
1997-06-29  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-29  0:00                         ` ada and robots Matthew Heaney
1997-07-03  0:00                           ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-07-13  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-17  0:00                     ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-17  0:00                       ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-06-18  0:00                         ` Robert A Duff
1997-06-18  0:00                         ` Samuel Mize
1997-06-18  0:00                           ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-06-18  0:00                         ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-22  0:00                           ` John G. Volan
1997-06-17  0:00                     ` Samuel Mize
1997-06-18  0:00                       ` Steve O'Neill
1997-06-19  0:00                         ` Anonymous
1997-06-19  0:00                       ` Kenneth W. Sodemann
1997-06-20  0:00                       ` Stephen Leake
1997-06-20  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-04  0:00         ` RC
1997-06-04  0:00           ` Larry Kilgallen
1997-06-04  0:00           ` John G. Volan
1997-06-05  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-02  0:00     ` Nick Roberts
1997-06-04  0:00       ` Jan Galkowski
1997-06-05  0:00         ` Albert K. Lee
1997-06-06  0:00           ` dana
1997-06-07  0:00             ` John G. Volan
1997-06-10  0:00               ` dana
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1997-06-05  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-09  0:00 ` Jerry Petrey
1997-06-10  0:00   ` Alan Brain
1997-06-10  0:00     ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-11  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-11  0:00         ` Samuel Mize
1997-06-13  0:00           ` Erik Magnuson
1997-06-17  0:00         ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-18  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-19  0:00             ` Jonathan Guthrie
1997-06-20  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-11  0:00       ` Alan Brain
1997-06-11  0:00         ` Spam Hater
1997-06-11  0:00         ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-05  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-09  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-12  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-16  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-16  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-17  0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-18  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-18  0:00     ` Brian Rogoff
1997-06-20  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-23  0:00     ` Richard Kenner
1997-06-23  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-23  0:00     ` Geert Bosch
1997-07-02  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-25  0:00   ` Will Rose
1997-06-25  0:00   ` Jonathan Guthrie
1997-06-21  0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1997-06-19  0:00 Jon S Anthony
1997-06-19  0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1997-06-20  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-22  0:00   ` John G. Volan
1997-06-25  0:00     ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-06-23  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-24  0:00     ` Brian Rogoff
1997-06-20  0:00 Ada " Huy Vo
1997-06-23  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-24  0:00 Huy Vo
1997-06-25  0:00 ` Dale Stanbrough
1997-06-25  0:00 ` Alan Brain
1997-06-25  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-25  0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-26  0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-01  0:00   ` Tom Moran
1997-06-26  0:00 Huy Vo
1997-06-27  0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-06-27  0:00 ` Alan Brain
1997-06-27  0:00   ` Stephen Leake
1997-06-27  0:00   ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-27  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-27  0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-27  0:00 ` nma123
     [not found] <867541382.23405@dejanews.com>
1997-06-29  0:00 ` John Howard
1997-06-30  0:00 Huy Vo
1997-07-01  0:00 ` Alan Brain
1997-07-11  0:00   ` Will Rose
1997-07-02  0:00 ` Mattias Sj�sv�rd
1997-07-01  0:00 Huy Vo
1997-07-02  0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-07-02  0:00 Huy Vo
1997-07-04  0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
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