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From: jsa@alexandria.organon.com (Jon S Anthony)
Subject: Re: ada and robots
Date: 1997/06/20
Date: 1997-06-20T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <JSA.97Jun20140811@alexandria.organon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Pine.SGI.3.95.970619163029.5827A-100000@shellx.best.com


In article <Pine.SGI.3.95.970619163029.5827A-100000@shellx.best.com> Brian Rogoff <bpr@shellx.best.com> writes:

> > It is rather amazing, isn't it.  BTW, I've completely given up on C++.
> > I think C still has its uses, but C++?  I don't think so.
> 
> I do.
> 
> C++ is a very widely used *family-of-languages* which will be with us for 
> a long time.

Oh, it is _used_ all over the place (well, more or less - it's often
difficult to glean whether it is just being used as a ANSI C sort of
thing.)  I was talking about "uses" as in "the best thing to use here
is C++".  This latter does not seem to have good rationale no matter
what the situation: if it is simply C stuff - use C.  Numerical stuff
- use Fortran.  If it is something needing flexible higher level
capabilities, sophistication and lower level efficiencies - use Ada
(or Eiffel).  Implemenations and availability are every bit as viable
as those for C++.  Something even higher level - use Lisp or ST or
some such.


> large number of projects cranking out code. So there probably is a
> use for C++ qua C++, even if we could make technical arguments that
> Ada can do the job "better".

I don't mean just "technically".


> IMO, its really a question of degree only. All computer languages
> fundamentally suck.

Right.  This I completely agree with.  However, a large enough
quantitative gap gives a qualitative difference.


> I just happen to find Ada's flaws far more palatable for those
> programming tasks for which C, C++, and Fortran are often used.

I hear ya.  But, for me, the degree to which C++ sucks puts it in a
class of its own.


/Jon
-- 
Jon Anthony
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  reply	other threads:[~1997-06-20  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 135+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1997-06-19  0:00 ada and robots Jon S Anthony
1997-06-19  0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1997-06-20  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony [this message]
1997-06-23  0:00     ` C++ usage (was Re: ada and robots) Brian Rogoff
1997-06-22  0:00   ` ada and robots John G. Volan
1997-06-25  0:00     ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-06-23  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-24  0:00     ` Brian Rogoff
1997-06-25  0:00     ` C++ Family of Languages [was :ada and robots] Alan Brain
1997-06-26  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1997-07-02  0:00 Ada and robots Huy Vo
1997-07-04  0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-07-01  0:00 Huy Vo
1997-07-02  0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-30  0:00 Huy Vo
1997-07-01  0:00 ` Alan Brain
1997-07-11  0:00   ` Will Rose
1997-07-02  0:00 ` Mattias Sj�sv�rd
     [not found] <867541382.23405@dejanews.com>
1997-06-29  0:00 ` John Howard
1997-06-26  0:00 Huy Vo
1997-06-27  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-27  0:00 ` Alan Brain
1997-06-27  0:00   ` Stephen Leake
1997-06-27  0:00   ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-27  0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-06-27  0:00 ` nma123
1997-06-27  0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-24  0:00 Huy Vo
1997-06-25  0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-25  0:00 ` Alan Brain
1997-06-25  0:00 ` Dale Stanbrough
1997-06-25  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-26  0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-01  0:00   ` Tom Moran
1997-06-20  0:00 Huy Vo
1997-06-23  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-16  0:00 ada " Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-16  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-17  0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-18  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-18  0:00     ` Brian Rogoff
1997-06-20  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-23  0:00     ` Richard Kenner
1997-06-23  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-23  0:00     ` Geert Bosch
1997-07-02  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-25  0:00   ` Will Rose
1997-06-25  0:00   ` Jonathan Guthrie
1997-06-21  0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1997-06-12  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-09  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-05  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-05  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-09  0:00 ` Jerry Petrey
1997-06-10  0:00   ` Alan Brain
1997-06-10  0:00     ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-11  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-11  0:00         ` Samuel Mize
1997-06-13  0:00           ` Erik Magnuson
1997-06-17  0:00         ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-18  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-19  0:00             ` Jonathan Guthrie
1997-06-20  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-11  0:00       ` Alan Brain
1997-06-11  0:00         ` Spam Hater
1997-06-11  0:00         ` Joe Gwinn
1997-05-28  0:00 John Bohn
1997-05-29  0:00 ` Michael F Brenner
1997-05-29  0:00 ` Stephen Leake
1997-05-30  0:00 ` John Cook
1997-05-30  0:00   ` Tom Moran
1997-06-01  0:00     ` Dale Stanbrough
1997-06-02  0:00       ` John G. Volan
     [not found]         ` <5mv984$7kn@news.emi.com>
1997-06-03  0:00           ` Martin A. Stembel
1997-06-03  0:00           ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-04  0:00             ` Pat Rogers
1997-06-05  0:00               ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-14  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-16  0:00                 ` Ken Garlington
1997-06-16  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-17  0:00                   ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-28  0:00                     ` Mike Stark
1997-07-03  0:00                       ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-04  0:00             ` John G. Volan
1997-06-05  0:00               ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-14  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-17  0:00                   ` Joe Gwinn
1997-07-03  0:00                     ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
     [not found]               ` <9706052229.AA29554@jaguar.nmc.ed.ray.com>
1997-06-06  0:00                 ` John G. Volan
1997-06-07  0:00                   ` RC
1997-06-09  0:00                   ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-05  0:00             ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-05  0:00               ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-14  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-10  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-10  0:00               ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-11  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-12  0:00                   ` George Haddad
1997-06-16  0:00                   ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-06-17  0:00                     ` Stephen Leake
1997-06-17  0:00                       ` Robert A Duff
1997-06-20  0:00                       ` jim granville
1997-06-21  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-29  0:00                         ` Matthew Heaney
1997-07-03  0:00                           ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-07-13  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-17  0:00                     ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-17  0:00                       ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-06-18  0:00                         ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-22  0:00                           ` John G. Volan
1997-06-18  0:00                         ` Samuel Mize
1997-06-18  0:00                           ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-06-18  0:00                         ` Robert A Duff
1997-06-17  0:00                     ` Samuel Mize
1997-06-18  0:00                       ` Steve O'Neill
1997-06-19  0:00                         ` Anonymous
1997-06-19  0:00                       ` Kenneth W. Sodemann
1997-06-20  0:00                       ` Stephen Leake
1997-06-20  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-17  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-17  0:00                     ` Robert A Duff
1997-06-18  0:00                       ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-17  0:00                         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-06-20  0:00                       ` Adam Beneschan
1997-06-20  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-04  0:00         ` RC
1997-06-04  0:00           ` John G. Volan
1997-06-04  0:00           ` Larry Kilgallen
1997-06-05  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-02  0:00     ` Nick Roberts
1997-06-04  0:00       ` Jan Galkowski
1997-06-05  0:00         ` Albert K. Lee
1997-06-06  0:00           ` dana
1997-06-07  0:00             ` John G. Volan
1997-06-10  0:00               ` dana
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