From: jsa@alexandria.organon.com (Jon S Anthony)
Subject: Re: ada and robots
Date: 1997/06/20
Date: 1997-06-20T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <JSA.97Jun20140811@alexandria.organon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Pine.SGI.3.95.970619163029.5827A-100000@shellx.best.com
In article <Pine.SGI.3.95.970619163029.5827A-100000@shellx.best.com> Brian Rogoff <bpr@shellx.best.com> writes:
> > It is rather amazing, isn't it. BTW, I've completely given up on C++.
> > I think C still has its uses, but C++? I don't think so.
>
> I do.
>
> C++ is a very widely used *family-of-languages* which will be with us for
> a long time.
Oh, it is _used_ all over the place (well, more or less - it's often
difficult to glean whether it is just being used as a ANSI C sort of
thing.) I was talking about "uses" as in "the best thing to use here
is C++". This latter does not seem to have good rationale no matter
what the situation: if it is simply C stuff - use C. Numerical stuff
- use Fortran. If it is something needing flexible higher level
capabilities, sophistication and lower level efficiencies - use Ada
(or Eiffel). Implemenations and availability are every bit as viable
as those for C++. Something even higher level - use Lisp or ST or
some such.
> large number of projects cranking out code. So there probably is a
> use for C++ qua C++, even if we could make technical arguments that
> Ada can do the job "better".
I don't mean just "technically".
> IMO, its really a question of degree only. All computer languages
> fundamentally suck.
Right. This I completely agree with. However, a large enough
quantitative gap gives a qualitative difference.
> I just happen to find Ada's flaws far more palatable for those
> programming tasks for which C, C++, and Fortran are often used.
I hear ya. But, for me, the degree to which C++ sucks puts it in a
class of its own.
/Jon
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1997-06-19 0:00 ada and robots Jon S Anthony
1997-06-19 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1997-06-20 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony [this message]
1997-06-23 0:00 ` C++ usage (was Re: ada and robots) Brian Rogoff
1997-06-22 0:00 ` ada and robots John G. Volan
1997-06-25 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-06-23 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-24 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1997-06-25 0:00 ` C++ Family of Languages [was :ada and robots] Alan Brain
1997-06-26 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
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1997-07-02 0:00 Ada and robots Huy Vo
1997-07-04 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-07-01 0:00 Huy Vo
1997-07-02 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-30 0:00 Huy Vo
1997-07-01 0:00 ` Alan Brain
1997-07-11 0:00 ` Will Rose
1997-07-02 0:00 ` Mattias Sj�sv�rd
[not found] <867541382.23405@dejanews.com>
1997-06-29 0:00 ` John Howard
1997-06-26 0:00 Huy Vo
1997-06-27 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-27 0:00 ` Alan Brain
1997-06-27 0:00 ` Stephen Leake
1997-06-27 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-27 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-06-27 0:00 ` nma123
1997-06-27 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-24 0:00 Huy Vo
1997-06-25 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-25 0:00 ` Alan Brain
1997-06-25 0:00 ` Dale Stanbrough
1997-06-25 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-26 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-01 0:00 ` Tom Moran
1997-06-20 0:00 Huy Vo
1997-06-23 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-16 0:00 ada " Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-16 0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-17 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-18 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-18 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1997-06-20 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-23 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-06-23 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-23 0:00 ` Geert Bosch
1997-07-02 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-25 0:00 ` Will Rose
1997-06-25 0:00 ` Jonathan Guthrie
1997-06-21 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1997-06-12 0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-09 0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-05 0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-05 0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-09 0:00 ` Jerry Petrey
1997-06-10 0:00 ` Alan Brain
1997-06-10 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-11 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-06-13 0:00 ` Erik Magnuson
1997-06-17 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-18 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-19 0:00 ` Jonathan Guthrie
1997-06-20 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-11 0:00 ` Alan Brain
1997-06-11 0:00 ` Spam Hater
1997-06-11 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1997-05-28 0:00 John Bohn
1997-05-29 0:00 ` Michael F Brenner
1997-05-29 0:00 ` Stephen Leake
1997-05-30 0:00 ` John Cook
1997-05-30 0:00 ` Tom Moran
1997-06-01 0:00 ` Dale Stanbrough
1997-06-02 0:00 ` John G. Volan
[not found] ` <5mv984$7kn@news.emi.com>
1997-06-03 0:00 ` Martin A. Stembel
1997-06-03 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-04 0:00 ` Pat Rogers
1997-06-05 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-14 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-16 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-06-16 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-17 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-28 0:00 ` Mike Stark
1997-07-03 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-04 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-06-05 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-14 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-17 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1997-07-03 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
[not found] ` <9706052229.AA29554@jaguar.nmc.ed.ray.com>
1997-06-06 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-06-07 0:00 ` RC
1997-06-09 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-05 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-05 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-14 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-10 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-10 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-12 0:00 ` George Haddad
1997-06-16 0:00 ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-06-17 0:00 ` Stephen Leake
1997-06-17 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-06-20 0:00 ` jim granville
1997-06-21 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-29 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-07-03 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-07-13 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-17 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-17 0:00 ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-06-18 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-22 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-06-18 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-06-18 0:00 ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-06-18 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-06-17 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-06-18 0:00 ` Steve O'Neill
1997-06-19 0:00 ` Anonymous
1997-06-19 0:00 ` Kenneth W. Sodemann
1997-06-20 0:00 ` Stephen Leake
1997-06-20 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-17 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-17 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-06-18 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-06-20 0:00 ` Adam Beneschan
1997-06-20 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-04 0:00 ` RC
1997-06-04 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-06-04 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1997-06-05 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-02 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1997-06-04 0:00 ` Jan Galkowski
1997-06-05 0:00 ` Albert K. Lee
1997-06-06 0:00 ` dana
1997-06-07 0:00 ` John G. Volan
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