From: jsa@alexandria.organon.com (Jon S Anthony)
Subject: Re: Off topic: Crocodiles
Date: 1997/06/12
Date: 1997-06-12T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <JSA.97Jun12132349@alexandria.organon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: dewar.866051313@merv
In article <dewar.866051313@merv> dewar@merv.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) writes:
> Mukesh said
>
> <<Actually, there is no reason for it to be particularly
> "dismissed", it simply is not useful. It may or
> not represent some kind of reality, but is not
> concerned with measurable and observable reality.>>
>
> The notion of unobservable reality is not only irrlevant to science, but
> often actively harmful. Scientists do better not to start believing in
> any "reality" at all, but rather to concentrate on what is observable and
> what is not.
You have just crossed over into quicksand. First, "unobservable" is
ill-defined. Second, even if you allow some notion of this based on
some current set of capabilities, you have just pitched out the window
all "hidden variable" theories as "unscientific". I don't think so.
Third, if _all_ you are concerned with is "observation" (i.e., all
knowledge is strictly empirically based) then you have to solve the
problems presented by Hume (et.al, but Hume gives the most
consistently relentless version).
I suppose you could try saying that, "No, not all knowledge is
empirically based, but all _scientific_ knowledge is". Perhaps, but
that just side steps the issue.
> to unscientific inflexibility :-) As I mentioned before Al Matson, the
> physicist from UT, has explored this issue very effectively.
Shrug. So have a host of others. For example, both Popper and
Lakatos rather vehemently disagreed with this sort of position. It
all goes back to Bohr, Complimentarity and the Copenhagen
Interpretation for QM.
/Jon
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Jon Anthony
Organon Motives, Inc.
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1997-05-15 0:00 Any research putting c above ada? Jon S Anthony
1997-05-15 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-15 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
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1997-05-16 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-16 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-18 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1997-05-19 0:00 ` NOT about "c above ada" W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
1997-05-19 0:00 ` Any research putting c above ada? Michael Norrish
1997-05-20 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-20 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-20 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-20 0:00 ` Michael Norrish
1997-05-20 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-20 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-21 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-21 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1997-05-22 0:00 ` Software Engineering is not a hoax... (was Re: Any research putting c above ada?) Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-22 0:00 ` Software Engineering and Dreamers Nick Roberts
1997-05-22 0:00 ` Tom Moran
1997-05-25 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-26 0:00 ` David Ray
1997-05-23 0:00 ` Mark Allen Framness
1997-05-23 0:00 ` Mark Allen Framness
1997-05-23 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-23 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-23 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-24 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-24 0:00 ` jason hummel
1997-05-25 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1997-05-26 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-26 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-27 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-27 0:00 ` Dann Corbit
1997-05-26 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1997-05-27 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-28 0:00 ` Fritz W Feuerbacher
1997-05-29 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1997-05-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-26 0:00 ` Fritz W Feuerbacher
1997-05-26 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-26 0:00 ` tstcroix
1997-05-27 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-27 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-28 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-31 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1997-06-02 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-09 0:00 ` Ralph Silverman
1997-05-27 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-28 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-27 0:00 ` system
1997-05-27 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-28 0:00 ` Rich Miller
1997-05-28 0:00 ` Bryce Bardin
1997-05-28 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-05-29 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-05-29 0:00 ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-05-28 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-28 0:00 ` Fritz W Feuerbacher
1997-05-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-29 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-30 0:00 ` Vibrating Bum-Faced Goats
1997-05-30 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-02 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1997-06-07 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-02 0:00 ` Mathew Hendry
1997-06-03 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1997-06-03 0:00 ` John Winters
1997-06-02 0:00 ` Mathew Hendry
1997-06-03 0:00 ` Martin C. Carlisle
1997-06-08 0:00 ` Joe Charlier
1997-06-09 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-17 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1997-06-04 0:00 ` John Winters
1997-06-06 0:00 ` Volker Hetzer
1997-06-06 0:00 ` Mathew Hendry
1997-06-08 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-09 0:00 ` Jonathan Guthrie
1997-06-09 0:00 ` Mathew Hendry
1997-06-11 0:00 ` Jonathan Guthrie
1997-06-11 0:00 ` Mathew Hendry
1997-06-11 0:00 ` Crocodiles [was: Re: Software Engineering and Dreamers] Anonymous
1997-06-11 0:00 ` Off topic: Crocodiles Mukesh Prasad
1997-06-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-11 0:00 ` Mukesh Prasad
1997-06-12 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony [this message]
1997-06-11 0:00 ` Crocodiles [was: Re: Software Engineering and Dreamers] Spam Hater
1997-06-12 0:00 ` Anonymous
1997-06-17 0:00 ` Software Engineering and Dreamers Nick Roberts
1997-06-09 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1997-06-08 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-06-09 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-09 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-06-10 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-09 0:00 ` SE, Dreamers, and on and on and on W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
1997-06-08 0:00 ` Software Engineering and Dreamers Jason Shankel
1997-06-09 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
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1997-06-07 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-06-09 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
1997-06-10 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-10 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
1997-06-07 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-08 0:00 ` Mathew Hendry
1997-06-03 0:00 ` Ed Prochak - Woodland Consultants
1997-06-03 0:00 ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-06-03 0:00 ` Spaceman Spiff
1997-06-02 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-02 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
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1997-06-03 0:00 ` Off topic response to an off topic message--> was:Re: " H. Blakely Williford
1997-06-04 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1997-06-03 0:00 ` Spaceman Spiff
1997-06-09 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-06-09 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-09 0:00 ` Ceri Stagg
1997-06-12 0:00 ` Philip Brashear
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
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1997-06-04 0:00 ` �Stephen!
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1997-06-19 0:00 ` Stephan Wilms
1997-06-20 0:00 ` Spam Hater
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1997-06-19 0:00 ` Craig Franck
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1997-06-19 0:00 ` Anonymous
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1997-06-22 0:00 ` Alicia Carla Longstreet
1997-06-19 0:00 ` Stephan Wilms
1997-06-24 0:00 ` David Thornley
1997-06-06 0:00 ` Fritz W Feuerbacher
1997-06-06 0:00 ` Joe Charlier
1997-06-04 0:00 ` S. Norby
1997-05-30 0:00 ` Vibrating Bum-Faced Goats
1997-05-24 0:00 ` Bill Anderson
1997-05-23 0:00 ` Software Engineering is not a hoax... (was Re: Any research putting c above ada?) Jeff Carter
1997-05-23 0:00 ` William M.Gordon
1997-05-23 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-23 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-25 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-23 0:00 ` John Bode
1997-05-25 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-25 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1997-05-25 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-26 0:00 ` Software Engineering is not a hoax Laurent Gasser
1997-05-26 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-27 0:00 ` Scott Stanchfield
1997-05-27 0:00 ` Dan Evens
1997-05-27 0:00 ` Scott Stanchfield
1997-05-27 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-27 0:00 ` Scott Stanchfield
1997-05-29 0:00 ` Dean Runzel
1997-05-29 0:00 ` Scott Stanchfield
1997-05-29 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-30 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-30 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-05-30 0:00 ` Lord Shaman
1997-05-28 0:00 ` Alan Bowler
1997-05-29 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-24 0:00 ` Software Engineering is not a hoax... (was Re: Any research putting c above ada?) W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
1997-05-24 0:00 ` Fritz W Feuerbacher
1997-05-24 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-12 0:00 ` Software Engineering is not a hoax Keith Shillington
1997-06-12 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-06-17 0:00 ` brucemo
1997-06-17 0:00 ` Richard Turner
1997-06-17 0:00 ` Spam Hater
1997-06-17 0:00 ` Richard Turner
1997-06-12 0:00 ` Ralph Silverman
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1997-05-20 0:00 ` Any research putting c above ada? Jon S Anthony
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