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From: jsa@alexandria (Jon S Anthony)
Subject: Re: OO, C++, and something much better!
Date: 1997/02/17
Date: 1997-02-17T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <JSA.97Feb17180522@alexandria> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 5de62l$f13$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au


In article <yf3d8u0380w.fsf@sabi.demon.co.uk> piercarl@sabi.demon.co.uk (Piercarlo Grandi) writes:

> >>> "jsa" == Jon S Anthony <jsa@alexandria> writes:
> 
> jsa> Just to be clear: "+" does not stand for some _particular_ function
> jsa> in mathematics.
> 
> But it does, and sorry if I used the word "particular" improperly; I
> meant by it something "any definite";

My point was simply that there is not one particular interpretation
for "+" in mathematics.  This is actually obvious and I'm sure you'd
agree.


> jsa> It varies on context.  Specifically, a) what the formal system is
> jsa> and b) what interpretation is being given to that system.
> 
> It was also perhaps not clear that by "maths" I meant something like
> ``ordinary maths'', a not well defined but hopefully intuitively

And?  Presumably, by "ordinary maths" here you really mean arithmetic.
That is a precisely and rigorously defined system.


> perceivable notion; for most any given procedure indicated by "+"
> computes *some* mathematical function, even if not necessarily the one
> indicated by "+" in most ``ordinary maths''

Presumably you simply mean here that "computer arithmetic" or the
specification of arithmetic operations in a programming language
definition is not the same as standard arithmetic (even though in many
practical cases you can ignore the differences).  Well, sure.


> (one favourite example is that "+" between 'unsigned' operands in
> ``C'' computes the function ``addition module 2^N'' rather than
> addition on nonnegative numbers).

Why is congruential arithmetic not ordinary?  Note that this too has a
completely precise and rigorous definition and theory.


> by "+" in some branch of maths would tend to be few; one major factor is
> that procedures usually compute functions over finite domains/codomains,
> which is almost never the case in [``ordinary''] maths, and even in
> ``discrete'' maths.

What makes you say that??  Certainly any congruence system has this
exact aspect.  Large chunks of combinatorics deal in finite systems.
What about finite groups?  And whose to say that in "day to day
arithmetic" you aren't dealing with a congruence system whose modulus
just happens to be 10^50 or something?


> jsa> There are cases where the two will denote identical results.
> 
> Well, this is actually quite impossible as literally written :-);
> the results of any particular "+" operation are in the domain of
> implementation entities, those of any articular "+" function are in
> the domain of mathematical entities.

Yes, I see the "smiley", but I'm not sure this distinction is true or
of any use.  It would seem to imply that any set of "squiggles" on a
blackboard or piece of paper are "implementation entities" and have
not much to do with the mathematical entities they represent.  I don't
think so...


> What you probably wanted to say is that it can happen that the function
> computed by some particular "+" operation is exactly the same as that
> meant by some "+" function in ``ordinary'' maths.

What I meant was that you can't distinguish the two in any meaningful
way even if they are "in some sense different".


> jsa> Forget about the notation.  That's irrelvant.  The real problem is
> jsa> that _often_ (not always) the semantics are all wrong in those cases
> jsa> where they are "supposed to be the same or at least similar".
> 
> Well, while what I have written expresses a similar sentiment, I would
> be so radical in saying that notation is so irrelevant.
> 
> Actually it is irrelevant, but it is not _unimportant_, for programs are
> about communicating in textual form, and communicating by suggesting
[...etc....]

Yeah.  OK, I can agree with this.


> constantly amazed by the fondness for terminological confusions that
> many people display; the major example is "OO", which many people take
> literally as being about objects, with dire consequences.

Well, here we definitely agree.


> Misnomers such as "OO" and notational devices *are* irrelevant, to those
> that see them as mere pointers to the concepts they label; but
> unfortunately nominalism is rampant.

:-( but true...


/Jon
-- 
Jon Anthony
Organon Motives, Inc.
Belmont, MA 02178
617.484.3383
jsa@organon.com





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1997-01-16  0:00 OO, C++, and something much better! Jon S Anthony
1997-01-17  0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-01-16  0:00   ` Matthew Heaney
1997-01-17  0:00     ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-17  0:00       ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-17  0:00         ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-18  0:00           ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-17  0:00             ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-20  0:00               ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-19  0:00                 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-20  0:00               ` Damon Feldman
1997-01-19  0:00                 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-20  0:00                   ` David Hanley
1997-01-21  0:00                     ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-22  0:00                       ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-22  0:00                         ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-23  0:00                         ` Bob Jarvis
1997-01-20  0:00                   ` Bill Gooch
1997-01-20  0:00                   ` Graham Hughes
1997-01-21  0:00                     ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-21  0:00                       ` Matt Kennel
1997-01-21  0:00                       ` Marc Robertson
1997-01-24  0:00                         ` Mark Windholtz
1997-01-27  0:00                           ` David Hanley
1997-01-28  0:00                             ` David Hanley
     [not found]                             ` <32EE2FEE.62FE@p <32EE8415.2F5B@netright.com>
1997-01-28  0:00                               ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-29  0:00                                 ` David Hanley
1997-01-29  0:00                                   ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-28  0:00                             ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-28  0:00                         ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-29  0:00                           ` Matt Kennel
1997-01-30  0:00                             ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-30  0:00                               ` David L. Shang
1997-01-30  0:00                               ` Black box or white box (Re: OO, C++, and something much better!) David L. Shang
1997-01-29  0:00                         ` OO, C++, and something much better! Jun Nolasco
1997-01-22  0:00                       ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-22  0:00                         ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-22  0:00                         ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-22  0:00                           ` Graham Hughes
1997-01-23  0:00                             ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-23  0:00                               ` Claus Reinke
1997-01-25  0:00                                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-25  0:00                                   ` Lawrence G. Mayka
1997-01-25  0:00                                   ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-28  0:00                                   ` Claus Reinke
1997-01-24  0:00                               ` Don Harrison
1997-01-24  0:00                                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-28  0:00                                   ` Don Harrison
1997-01-23  0:00                             ` Mark Woodruff
1997-01-24  0:00                             ` Richard A. O'Keefe
     [not found]                               ` <E4voIF.86o@world.std.com>
1997-02-12  0:00                                 ` Ulf Schuenemann
1997-01-23  0:00                           ` Robb Nebbe
1997-01-23  0:00                             ` David Hanley
1997-01-25  0:00                             ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-23  0:00                           ` Matt Kennel
1997-01-25  0:00                             ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-27  0:00                             ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-24  0:00                           ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-01-24  0:00                           ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-24  0:00                             ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-26  0:00                             ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-28  0:00                             ` Alan Knight
1997-01-29  0:00                               ` Nick Leaton
     [not found]                             ` <32E9BAAC. <5ce8t3$6gv@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
1997-01-28  0:00                               ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-29  0:00                             ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-30  0:00                             ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-25  0:00                         ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-27  0:00                         ` Rolf Breuning
1997-01-27  0:00                         ` Ed Shirk
1997-01-22  0:00                   ` Damon Feldman
1997-01-29  0:00                   ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-25  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-25  0:00                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-26  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00                     ` Samuel S. Shuster
1997-01-27  0:00                       ` Richard Kenner
1997-01-29  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-30  0:00                           ` Eirik Mangseth
1997-01-28  0:00                       ` Jun Nolasco
1997-01-29  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-29  0:00                         ` Richard Kenner
1997-01-29  0:00                           ` David Hanley
1997-01-29  0:00                             ` Richard Kenner
1997-01-30  0:00                           ` Nick Leaton
1997-01-30  0:00                             ` Richard Kenner
1997-01-30  0:00                               ` Nick Leaton
1997-01-30  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00                     ` Bob Jarvis
1997-01-27  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00                         ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-27  0:00                         ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-29  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-29  0:00                             ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-29  0:00                               ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-27  0:00                         ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-29  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00                         ` Matthew Heaney
1997-01-28  0:00                     ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-02-08  0:00                   ` Robin Rosenberg
1997-01-27  0:00                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-29  0:00                   ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-29  0:00                   ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-27  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-27  0:00                 ` David Hanley
1997-01-29  0:00                   ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-29  0:00                     ` Dennis Smith
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-28  0:00                   ` Matt Kennel
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` David Hanley
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Luther Hampton
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` David Hanley
1997-01-28  0:00                   ` Jacqueline U. Robertson
1997-01-29  0:00                     ` David Hanley
1997-01-29  0:00                     ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-30  0:00                     ` Robert C. Martin
     [not found]                       ` <5cr068$gpa@uni.library.ucla.edu>
1997-06-27  0:00                         ` David Shang
1997-06-28  0:00                           ` Ronald E Jeffries
1997-06-28  0:00                           ` Mike Stark
1997-06-29  0:00                           ` Mike Anderson
1997-06-29  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-30  0:00                               ` Kohler Markus
1997-01-29  0:00                   ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-29  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-29  0:00                 ` David Hanley
1997-01-29  0:00                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-29  0:00                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-29  0:00                 ` Rolf Breuning
1997-01-25  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00                 ` Bob Jarvis
1997-01-27  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-25  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-26  0:00                 ` James O'Connor
1997-01-26  0:00                   ` George Wolke
1997-01-26  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00                   ` Jerry van Dijk
1997-01-28  0:00                     ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-28  0:00                       ` Jerry van Dijk
1997-01-29  0:00                       ` Stanley R. Allen
1997-01-30  0:00                         ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-29  0:00                   ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-19  0:00             ` Soren Skogstad Nielsen
1997-01-20  0:00             ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-26  0:00               ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-29  0:00                 ` Multiple Type Interfaces Jon S Anthony
1997-01-28  0:00               ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` david scott gibson
1997-01-28  0:00                   ` Matthew Heaney
1997-01-29  0:00                     ` david scott gibson
1997-01-29  0:00                       ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-29  0:00                         ` david scott gibson
1997-01-28  0:00               ` Dave Gibson
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-21  0:00             ` OO, C++, and something much better! Matthew S. Whiting
1997-01-22  0:00               ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-22  0:00                 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-22  0:00                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-23  0:00                   ` Combining dynamic and static typing Don Harrison
1997-01-24  0:00                     ` Erik M. Buck
     [not found]                       ` <01bc0b21$6a8293e0$7df2ad80@wkst01.milagro.austin.tx.us>
1997-01-25  0:00                         ` Nathan M. Urban
1997-01-28  0:00                           ` David L. Shang
1997-01-28  0:00                             ` Luther Hampton
1997-01-29  0:00                               ` Marc De Scheemaecker
1997-01-28  0:00                             ` Nathan M. Urban
1997-01-29  0:00                               ` David L. Shang
1997-01-29  0:00                               ` Russ McClelland
     [not found]                             ` <5d0efr$meb@news.xmission.com>
1997-02-09  0:00                               ` daniel damian burden
1997-01-27  0:00                     ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-01-27  0:00                     ` David L. Shang
1997-01-28  0:00                     ` Robert C. Martin
1997-01-29  0:00                       ` David L. Shang
1997-01-23  0:00                   ` OO, C++, and something much better! Don Harrison
1997-01-27  0:00                     ` John Woods
1997-01-28  0:00                       ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-24  0:00                   ` Andy Bower
1997-01-25  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-26  0:00                       ` William Clodius
1997-01-25  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-26  0:00                       ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-26  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-26  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00                   ` Robert C. Martin
1997-01-29  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-29  0:00                       ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-22  0:00                 ` Don Harrison
1997-01-22  0:00                   ` John Kuszewski
1997-01-23  0:00                     ` Don Harrison
1997-01-23  0:00                       ` Travis Griggs
1997-01-23  0:00                       ` Tansel Ersavas
1997-01-24  0:00                     ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-21  0:00             ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-01-24  0:00             ` Tansel Ersavas
1997-01-25  0:00               ` Damon Feldman
1997-01-26  0:00                 ` Felix Beer
1997-01-28  0:00               ` Robert C. Martin
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Matt Kennel
1997-01-29  0:00                 ` Del Archer
1997-01-24  0:00             ` Tansel Ersavas
1997-01-25  0:00               ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-25  0:00               ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-26  0:00                 ` Bob Haugen
1997-01-26  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-26  0:00                     ` TanselErsavas
1997-01-27  0:00                     ` Samuel S. Shuster
1997-01-26  0:00                   ` Larry J. Elmore
1997-01-26  0:00                     ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-27  0:00                   ` David Hanley
1997-01-26  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-26  0:00                   ` James O'Connor
1997-01-26  0:00                     ` TanselErsavas
1997-01-26  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00                         ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-28  0:00                           ` Antoine Trux
1997-01-29  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-24  0:00             ` Tansel Ersavas
1997-01-27  0:00             ` David Hanley
1997-01-28  0:00               ` OO, C++, and more and more useless arguments! Robert C. Martin
1997-01-28  0:00             ` OO, C++, and something much better! Al Christians
1997-01-28  0:00             ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-29  0:00             ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-21  0:00             ` Chris Bitmead
1997-02-21  0:00             ` Eric W. Nikitin
1997-02-21  0:00               ` Brian Rogoff
1997-02-24  0:00             ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-24  0:00               ` Brian Rogoff
1997-02-25  0:00                 ` Eric W. Nikitin
1997-01-21  0:00           ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-22  0:00             ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-23  0:00               ` Static vs. Dynamic typing again (was Re: OO, C++, and something much better!) Richie Bielak
1997-01-23  0:00                 ` Bill Gooch
1997-01-23  0:00                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-23  0:00                   ` Richie Bielak
1997-01-24  0:00                     ` Eirik Mangseth
     [not found]                     ` <32E85588.1978@parcplace.com>
1997-01-26  0:00                       ` Paul Perkins
1997-01-26  0:00                         ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-29  0:00                           ` John Gale
1997-01-30  0:00                             ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-28  0:00                       ` Damon Feldman
1997-01-28  0:00                         ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-23  0:00                   ` Richie Bielak
1997-01-23  0:00                     ` Rolf Breuning
1997-01-23  0:00                     ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-24  0:00                       ` Richie Bielak
1997-01-24  0:00                         ` Bob Jarvis
1997-01-24  0:00                           ` Richie Bielak
1997-01-27  0:00                             ` Eric W. Nikitin
1997-01-25  0:00                           ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-30  0:00                             ` Damon Feldman
1997-01-30  0:00                               ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-30  0:00                               ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-30  0:00                               ` Defintion, again, was Re: Static vs. Dynamic typing again David L. Shang
1997-02-09  0:00                               ` Static vs. Dynamic typing again (was Re: OO, C++, and something much better!) Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-10  0:00                                 ` Matt Kennel
1997-02-14  0:00                                   ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-01-24  0:00                       ` Robb Nebbe
1997-01-25  0:00                         ` OO, C++, and something much better! David N. Smith
1997-02-15  0:00                       ` Static vs. Dynamic typing again (was Re: OO, C++, and something much better!) Pieter Schoenmakers
1997-02-16  0:00                         ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-01-27  0:00                     ` Jun Nolasco
1997-01-28  0:00                     ` Mark Windholtz
1997-01-28  0:00                       ` Richie Bielak
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Alan Knight
1997-02-08  0:00                 ` Static vs. Dynamic typing again (was Re: OO, C++, and something mu Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-23  0:00               ` OO, C++, and something much better! Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-24  0:00                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-27  0:00                   ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-28  0:00                     ` Tim Ottinger
1997-01-29  0:00                       ` Ted Dennison
1997-01-24  0:00                 ` traymond
1997-01-27  0:00                   ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-28  0:00                     ` traymond
1997-01-25  0:00                 ` Tansel Ersavas
1997-01-27  0:00                   ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-27  0:00                     ` Brian Rogoff
1997-01-28  0:00                       ` Reflection in Ada (was: Re: OO, C++, and something much better!) Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-29  0:00                         ` Eric W. Nikitin
1997-01-30  0:00                       ` OO, C++, and something much better! Tim Ottinger
1997-01-23  0:00             ` James O'Connor
1997-01-29  0:00               ` Stanley R. Allen
1997-01-30  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-27  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-19  0:00       ` Keith Thompson
1997-01-22  0:00     ` Don Harrison
1997-01-23  0:00       ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-01-23  0:00       ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-24  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1997-01-27  0:00           ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-29  0:00             ` "(Sub)type" -safety Don Harrison
1997-01-29  0:00               ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-30  0:00                 ` Don Harrison
1997-01-20  0:00   ` OO, C++, and something much better! Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-01-24  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-26  0:00   ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-27  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-27  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-27  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-28  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-29  0:00   ` Stephen J Bevan
1997-01-21  0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-22  0:00   ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-01-27  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00       ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-29  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00     ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-27  0:00       ` Bob Jarvis
1997-01-28  0:00         ` Travis Griggs
1997-01-28  0:00       ` Russ McClelland
1997-01-28  0:00       ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-27  0:00   ` John Woods
1997-01-22  0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-23  0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-24  0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-29  0:00   ` Multiple Type Interfaces Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-25  0:00 ` OO, C++, and something much better! Tansel Ersavas
1997-01-25  0:00 ` James O'Connor
1997-01-26  0:00   ` Lawrence G. Mayka
1997-01-26  0:00     ` James O'Connor
1997-01-25  0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-27  0:00 ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-02-07  0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-02-07  0:00   ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-12  0:00     ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-13  0:00       ` Alan Lovejoy
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1997-02-14  0:00           ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-16  0:00             ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-16  0:00               ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-17  0:00                 ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-13  0:00     ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-02-13  0:00       ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-18  0:00         ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-02-19  0:00           ` richard
1997-02-19  0:00           ` William Clodius
1997-02-19  0:00             ` Mike Klein
1997-02-19  0:00           ` Mike Klein
1997-02-15  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-16  0:00     ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-16  0:00   ` Definition of "operator" (was: OO, C++, and something much better!) Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-19  0:00     ` Dave Schaumann
1997-02-19  0:00       ` Anders Pytte
1997-02-16  0:00   ` OO, C++, and something much better! Jon S Anthony
1997-02-18  0:00     ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-02-20  0:00       ` Matt Kennel
1997-02-20  0:00         ` Anders Pytte
1997-02-17  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-19  0:00     ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-17  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony [this message]
1997-02-19  0:00     ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-19  0:00       ` Mike Klein
1997-02-17  0:00   ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-17  0:00   ` Definition of "operator" (was: OO, C++, and something much better!) Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-19  0:00     ` David L. Shang
1997-02-21  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-24  0:00       ` David L. Shang
1997-02-25  0:00       ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-17  0:00   ` OO, C++, and something much better! Jon S Anthony
1997-02-18  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-19  0:00     ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-19  0:00     ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-18  0:00   ` Bernard Badger
1997-02-18  0:00   ` Definition of "operator" (was: OO, C++, and something much better!) Jon S Anthony
1997-02-21  0:00   ` OO, C++, and something much better! Jon S Anthony
1997-02-24  0:00     ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-22  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-22  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-22  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-22  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-22  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-25  0:00     ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-02-23  0:00   ` Definition of "operator" (was: OO, C++, and something much better!) Richard Katz
1997-02-24  0:00     ` David L. Shang
1997-02-25  0:00   ` OO, C++, and something much better! Jon S Anthony
1997-02-25  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-25  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-27  0:00     ` Clayton Weaver
1997-02-26  0:00   ` Mike Klein
1997-02-25  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1997-01-28  0:00 Snowball Info
1997-01-28  0:00 Ell
1997-01-27  0:00 Ell
1997-01-22  0:00 Ell
1997-01-21  0:00 Ell
1997-01-21  0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-01-08  0:00 Sazonov Cyril
1997-01-11  0:00 ` Bjarne Stroustrup
1997-01-01  0:00 What is wrong with OO ? Jon S Anthony
1997-01-02  0:00 ` Robert C. Martin
1997-01-03  0:00   ` Eirik Mangseth
1997-01-03  0:00     ` What is wrong with OO O X g Greg Comeau
1997-01-04  0:00       ` OO, C++, and something much better! John (Max) Skaller
1997-01-04  0:00         ` vlad
1997-01-05  0:00         ` Mike Anderson
1997-01-06  0:00         ` Stanley Allen
1997-01-09  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-06  0:00         ` Chris Brand
1997-01-08  0:00   ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-01-09  0:00   ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-01-27  0:00     ` Richard Riehle
1997-01-10  0:00   ` Robb Nebbe
1997-01-10  0:00   ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-01-04  0:00 ` Pieter Schoenmakers
1997-01-06  0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-01-06  0:00   ` Michael F Brenner
1997-01-06  0:00     ` Tucker Taft
1997-01-07  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-08  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-07  0:00   ` Andrew Koenig
1997-01-10  0:00     ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-07  0:00   ` Jay Martin
1997-01-08  0:00     ` Ken Garlington
1997-01-08  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-08  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-09  0:00         ` Ted Dennison
1997-01-12  0:00   ` Richard Riehle
1997-01-07  0:00 ` Stanley Allen
1997-01-07  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-07  0:00     ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-01-08  0:00       ` Matthew Heaney
1997-01-08  0:00       ` Ken Garlington
1997-01-10  0:00     ` Keith Thompson
1997-01-10  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-10  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-15  0:00         ` Richard Kenner
1997-01-15  0:00           ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-20  0:00           ` Andrew Koenig
1997-01-25  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-15  0:00       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-01-08  0:00 ` David Emery
1997-01-09  0:00   ` Don Harrison
1997-01-10  0:00     ` Marky Mark
1997-01-14  0:00       ` Don Harrison
1997-01-08  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-08  0:00   ` Mark A Biggar
1997-01-09  0:00     ` Don Harrison
1997-01-10  0:00       ` Roy Phillips
1997-01-27  0:00         ` Nick Leaton
1997-01-28  0:00           ` matthew mclellan
1997-01-09  0:00   ` Don Harrison
1997-01-09  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-10  0:00       ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-10  0:00       ` Ken Garlington
1997-01-10  0:00       ` Bart Samwel
1997-01-10  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-13  0:00       ` Don Harrison
1997-01-13  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-14  0:00           ` Don Harrison
1997-01-13  0:00         ` Ken Garlington
1997-01-13  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-15  0:00             ` Ken Garlington
1997-01-17  0:00               ` Keith Thompson
1997-01-16  0:00             ` Keith Thompson
1997-01-16  0:00               ` Ken Garlington
1997-01-13  0:00           ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-14  0:00           ` Don Harrison
1997-01-14  0:00           ` Michael F Brenner
1997-01-10  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-13  0:00       ` Don Harrison
1997-01-13  0:00         ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-01-15  0:00           ` Don Harrison
1997-01-13  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1997-01-14  0:00           ` Jeff Carter
1997-01-15  0:00             ` Don Harrison
1997-01-17  0:00               ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-17  0:00               ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-18  0:00           ` Patrick Doyle
1997-01-20  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-08  0:00 ` Kohler Markus
1997-01-10  0:00 ` Matt Austern
1997-01-10  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
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