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From: jsa@alexandria.organon.com (Jon S Anthony)
Subject: Re: Design By Contract
Date: 1997/08/29
Date: 1997-08-29T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <JSA.97Aug29150908@alexandria.organon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: EFnoJv.1vx@syd.csa.com.au


In article <EFnoJv.1vx@syd.csa.com.au> nospam@thanks.com.au (Don Harrison) writes:

> :Isn't that exactly the point?  Why should a client be able to see the
> :actual structure, aka implementation????
> 
> No, the point is that there is no need to hide the structure of an attribute
> so long as it's read-only (look-but-don't-touch). These semantics allow you 
> to query components of visible objects directly:

I'm not convinced that is sufficient.  Knowing the structure can lead
one into writing things that still depend on it (efficiency hacks come
quickly to mind).

> I prefer the Eiffel model because:
> 
>   - It's simple and direct.
>   - It doesn't clutter the spec and body with functions.
>   - It doesn't force you to invent multiple identifiers (one of which has 
>     a contrived name: "the_a" above).

Fine.  Of course, all of these are simply _subjective_
characterizations.  If that is what floats your boat - go for it.

> IMO, the other possibilities for attributes in Ada are unattractive
> because they are either too permissive (look-and-touch - attributes
> declared in the visible part of the spec) or too restrictive
> (don't-look-don't touch - private attributes).

Again, this is simply personal perspective.  It may mean a lot to you,
but you should be aware that this subjective stuff ("unattractive"
"too permissive" "too restrictive") is just opinion and preference and
that others may well view _your_ preferences as "unattractive", "too
permissive" and "too restrictive".  There just is no consistent
objective criteria here.  And no amount of saying it's so will make it
so.

/Jon
-- 
Jon Anthony
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"Nightmares - Ha!  The way my life's been going lately,
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  reply	other threads:[~1997-08-29  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1997-08-21  0:00 Critique of Ariane 5 paper (finally!) aek
     [not found] ` <33FC66AD.9A0799D4@calfp.co.uk>
1997-08-22  0:00   ` Robert S. White
1997-08-22  0:00     ` Samuel Mize
1997-08-22  0:00       ` Samuel Mize
1997-08-23  0:00     ` Ken Garlington
     [not found]   ` <33FFA4B1.3543@flash.net>
1997-08-26  0:00     ` Nick Leaton
     [not found]       ` <3403940F.4154@pseserv3.fw.hac.com>
1997-08-27  0:00         ` Design By Contract Ted Velkoff
     [not found]           ` <5u3c6v$gtf$2@miranda.gmrc.gecm.com>
1997-08-28  0:00             ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-06  0:00               ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-06  0:00                 ` Patrick Doyle
     [not found]             ` <34058808.3BF@pseserv3.fw.hac.com>
1997-08-28  0:00               ` Darren New
     [not found]           ` <JSA.97Aug27180328@alexandria.organon.com>
1997-08-28  0:00             ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-03  0:00             ` Don Harrison
1997-09-03  0:00               ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-04  0:00                 ` Don Harrison
     [not found]         ` <EFM140.Fy9@syd.csa.com.au>
1997-08-28  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-29  0:00             ` Don Harrison
1997-08-29  0:00               ` Jon S Anthony [this message]
     [not found]                 ` <EFqE8L.4Eq@ecf.toronto.edu>
     [not found]                   ` <JSA.97Aug30145058@alexandria.organon.com>
1997-09-01  0:00                     ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-02  0:00                 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-02  0:00                   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-03  0:00                     ` Don Harrison
     [not found]                     ` <JSA.97Sep3201329@alexandria.organon.com>
1997-09-04  0:00                       ` Paul Johnson
1997-09-05  0:00                         ` Jon S Anthony
     [not found]                         ` <5un58u$9ih$1@gonzo.sun3.iaf.nl>
1997-09-06  0:00                           ` Building blocks (Was: Design By Contract) Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-08  0:00                           ` Paul Johnson
1997-09-08  0:00                             ` Brian Rogoff
1997-09-09  0:00                               ` Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
1997-09-09  0:00                                 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-09  0:00                               ` Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
1997-09-09  0:00                               ` Matthew Heaney
1997-09-09  0:00                                 ` Brian Rogoff
1997-09-09  0:00                                 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-10  0:00                                   ` Robert A Duff
1997-09-12  0:00                                     ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-10  0:00                                 ` Paul Johnson
1997-09-10  0:00                                   ` Darren New
1997-09-10  0:00                                   ` Matthew Heaney
1997-09-10  0:00                                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-12  0:00                                   ` Paul Johnson
1997-09-14  0:00                                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-14  0:00                                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-15  0:00                                       ` John G. Volan
1997-09-14  0:00                                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-12  0:00                                   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-12  0:00                                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-16  0:00                                       ` Brian Rogoff
1997-09-09  0:00                               ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-08  0:00                         ` Design By Contract Nick Leaton
1997-09-08  0:00                           ` Matthew Heaney
1997-09-09  0:00                           ` Paul Johnson
     [not found]                       ` <EFzLn7.481@ecf.toronto.edu>
1997-09-04  0:00                         ` Jon S Anthony
     [not found]                       ` <EFz0pD.E6n@syd.csa.com.au>
1997-09-05  0:00                         ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-05  0:00                         ` subjectivity W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-05  0:00                           ` subjectivity Matthew Heaney
1997-09-10  0:00                             ` subjectivity Don Harrison
1997-09-12  0:00                               ` subjectivity Jon S Anthony
1997-09-16  0:00                                 ` subjectivity Don Harrison
1997-09-16  0:00                                   ` subjectivity Jon S Anthony
1997-09-10  0:00                           ` subjectivity Don Harrison
1997-09-10  0:00                             ` subjectivity W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-11  0:00                               ` subjectivity Don Harrison
1997-09-10  0:00                             ` subjectivity W. Wesley Groleau x4923
     [not found]                         ` <JSA.97Sep4172912@alexandria.organon.com>
     [not found]                           ` <EG0oz8.F6M@syd.csa.com.au>
     [not found]                             ` <EG0rp7.GtL@syd.csa.com.au>
1997-09-05  0:00                               ` Design By Contract Matthew Heaney
1997-09-05  0:00                             ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-05  0:00                               ` Nick Leaton
1997-09-08  0:00                                 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-09  0:00                                   ` Nick Leaton
1997-09-10  0:00                                     ` Paul Johnson
1997-09-06  0:00                               ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-09  0:00                           ` Robert A Duff
1997-09-09  0:00                             ` Matthew Heaney
1997-09-02  0:00                   ` Joerg Rodemann
1997-09-02  0:00                     ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-29  0:00             ` Patrick Doyle
1997-08-29  0:00               ` Jon S Anthony
     [not found]                 ` <EFqDw0.3x7@ecf.toronto.edu>
     [not found]                   ` <JSA.97Aug30145354@alexandria.organon.com>
1997-09-01  0:00                     ` Patrick Doyle
1997-08-28  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-29  0:00             ` Don Harrison
     [not found]         ` <349224633wnr@eiffel.demon.co.uk>
1997-08-27  0:00           ` Design by Contract Robert Dewar
1997-08-29  0:00           ` Don Harrison
     [not found]       ` <3406BEF7.2FC3@flash.net>
     [not found]         ` <3406E0F7.6FF7ED99@calfp.co.uk>
1997-09-02  0:00           ` Critique of Ariane 5 paper (finally!) Ken Garlington
     [not found] <5u1627$1fak@info4.rus.uni-stuttgart.de>
     [not found] ` <EFM1Lx.GD2@syd.csa.com.au>
1997-08-28  0:00   ` Design by Contract Robert Dewar
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1997-08-07  0:00 Safety-critical development in Ada and Eiffel Ken Garlington
1997-08-12  0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-08-12  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-13  0:00     ` Ted Velkoff
1997-08-13  0:00       ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-14  0:00         ` Nick Leaton
1997-08-18  0:00           ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-08-19  0:00             ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-21  0:00               ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-08-23  0:00                 ` Ken Garlington
     [not found]                   ` <JSA.97Aug25181856@alexandria.organon.com>
     [not found]                     ` <34023A1F.41C67EA6@eiffel.com>
1997-08-25  0:00                       ` Design by Contract Bertrand Meyer
     [not found]                         ` <JSA.97Aug26151833@alexandria.organon.com>
1997-08-27  0:00                           ` Patrick Doyle
1997-08-25  0:00                       ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-08-25  0:00                         ` Steve Stringfellow
1997-08-26  0:00                         ` Don Harrison
1997-08-25  0:00                       ` Bertrand Meyer
     [not found]                         ` <3402d123.0@news.uni-ulm.de>
1997-08-26  0:00                           ` Nick Leaton
     [not found]                             ` <3402e51d.0@news.uni-ulm.de>
     [not found]                               ` <3402E8C9.3384D976@calfp.co.uk>
     [not found]                                 ` <dewar.872631036@merv>
1997-08-27  0:00                                   ` Ted Velkoff
1997-08-27  0:00                                   ` Matt Kennel (Remove 'NOSPAM' to reply)
     [not found]                                   ` <34050F3C.5A3A@invest.amp.com.au>
1997-08-28  0:00                                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-29  0:00                                       ` Paul Johnson
1997-08-31  0:00                                         ` Matt Kennel (Remove 'NOSPAM' to reply)
1997-09-01  0:00                                           ` John F. Bell III
1997-09-02  0:00                                             ` Ken Garlington
1997-09-05  0:00                                               ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]                                         ` <dewar.872887402@merv>
1997-09-02  0:00                                           ` Ken Garlington
1997-09-03  0:00                                             ` Thomas Beale
     [not found]                                               ` <EFxx8q.2sw@ecf.toronto.edu>
1997-09-04  0:00                                                 ` Thomas Beale
1997-09-05  0:00                                             ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-05  0:00                                               ` Ken Garlington
     [not found]                             ` <340306E1.5FB64D70@XYZZYcalfp.com>
1997-08-28  0:00                               ` Mark Bennison
     [not found]                         ` <bengtk-2708972209500001@sl35.modempool.kth.se>
1997-08-28  0:00                           ` Nick Leaton
1997-08-25  0:00                       ` Bertrand Meyer
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