From: jsa@alexandria.organon.com (Jon S Anthony)
Subject: Re: The great Java showcase (re: 2nd historic mistake)
Date: 1997/08/29
Date: 1997-08-29T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <JSA.97Aug29141912@alexandria.organon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3406C150.3EE5EE0E@stratasys.com
In article <3406C150.3EE5EE0E@stratasys.com> Jeff Kotula <jkotula@stratasys.com> writes:
> I'm not saying that Eiffel advocates shouldn't tone down their
> rhetoric, but the rest of us should probably open up a bit. We are,
> after all, supposed to be engineers/scientists and remain free of
> bias :)
Sounds good to me. I note here that I really don't have a love affair
with any programming language. Put another way, I feel they all suck
one way or another and that they need to be evaluated for each context
to see which one sucks the least for that context of use. I also
favor (heresy of heresies) multi-language development in those (many,
imo) cases where it makes sense. The thing that is annoying about
these ultra-fanatical Eiffel people, isn't Eiffel - it _is_ a language
that sucks less than many - it's that they basically have bought into
their own rhetoric that Eiffel is the absolute paragon of perfection
in PLs. IMO, there are many perspectives from which it is not even
remotely close to this. Take expressivity for example. Compared to
CL/CLOS, Eiffel is about as expressive as the original BASIC.
/Jon
--
Jon Anthony
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"Nightmares - Ha! The way my life's been going lately,
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1997-08-25 0:00 The great Java showcase (re: 2nd historic mistake) Bertrand Meyer
1997-08-26 0:00 ` Flavius.Vespasianus
1997-08-26 0:00 ` BruceMount
[not found] ` <5u0nil$atg@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
[not found] ` <5u3o1n$hu5@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-09-15 0:00 ` Tim Ottinger
1997-09-16 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-08-28 0:00 ` not
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Brett J. Stonier
[not found] ` <JSA.97Aug28182029@alexandria.organon.com>
[not found] ` <3406C150.3EE5EE0E@stratasys.com>
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony [this message]
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Jay Martin
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-02 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-15 0:00 ` Tim Ottinger
[not found] ` <3402FD4D.C196785B@brightwood.com>
1997-08-27 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Jeff Brown
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Brett J. Stonier
1997-08-27 0:00 ` James P. White
[not found] ` <34047A7D.62319AC4@eiffel.com>
1997-08-27 0:00 ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-08-27 0:00 ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Flavius.Vespasianus
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Mike Coffin
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-30 0:00 ` James P. White
1997-08-31 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-28 0:00 ` James P. White
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Dennis Weldy
1997-09-03 0:00 ` Charles Ditzel
1997-08-27 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
[not found] ` <01bcb38a$8ddc1200$1c10d30a@ntwneil>
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-28 0:00 ` James P. White
[not found] ` <EFnKuI.4rI@ecf.toronto.edu>
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Memory management techniques -- was Re: The great Java showcase Jon S Anthony
1997-08-30 0:00 ` The great Java showcase (re: 2nd historic mistake) Bert Bril
1997-08-31 0:00 ` Jay Martin
[not found] ` <EFn8CI.D9p@ecf.toronto.edu>
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Arthur Nelson
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-01 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Laurent Guerby
[not found] ` <EFonoz.AFC@ecf.toronto.edu>
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-30 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-08-31 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-01 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-02 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Peter Hermann
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Mike Charlton
[not found] ` <N.19970829.uput@sisyphus.demon.co.uk>
1997-09-02 0:00 ` Mike Charlton
1997-09-03 0:00 ` Dave Sparks
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Lee Webber
1997-08-28 0:00 ` James P. White
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Lee Webber
[not found] ` <JSA.97Aug26153546@alexandria.organon.com>
[not found] ` <34034658.7DE14518@eiffel.com>
1997-08-27 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
[not found] <5tvvsj$lh2$1@news2.digex.net>
1997-08-27 0:00 ` Jeff Brown
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-27 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-08-27 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Brett J. Stonier
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-29 0:00 ` James P. White
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Brett J. Stonier
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Dennis Weldy
[not found] ` <5u6ovi$5kb$1@news2.digex.net>
1997-09-01 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1997-08-29 0:00 Ell
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Brett J. Stonier
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Jay Martin
1997-08-30 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-08-30 0:00 ` Jay Martin
1997-08-30 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-01 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
1997-09-01 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-02 0:00 ` Jeff Kotula
1997-09-02 0:00 ` Martin Tom Brown
1997-09-02 0:00 ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-09-03 0:00 ` Robert Munck
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-02 0:00 ` Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
1997-09-08 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-09-13 0:00 ` Mark S. Hathaway
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Des Kenny
1997-10-28 0:00 ` John English
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Des Kenny
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Darren New
1997-09-02 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-15 0:00 ` Tim Ottinger
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-18 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-29 0:00 Ell
1997-08-30 0:00 BruceMount
1997-09-04 0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
[not found] <97090916235363@psavax.pwfl.com>
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-15 0:00 Ell
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Tim Ottinger
1997-09-17 0:00 ` Doc
1997-09-17 0:00 Ell
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Mark Wilden
1997-09-17 0:00 ` Robert B. Love
1997-09-17 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-17 0:00 Ell
1997-09-17 0:00 Ell
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