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From: jsa@alexandria (Jon S Anthony)
Subject: Re: Garbage Collection in Ada
Date: 1996/10/16
Date: 1996-10-16T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <JSA.96Oct16185056@alexandria> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 01bbb910$f1e73f60$829d6482@joy.ericsson.se


In article <Pine.GSO.3.93.961014050707.23547A-100000@sky.net> John Howard <jhoward@sky.net> writes:

> GC just provides *automatic* deallocation of "unreachable" dynamically
> allocated objects.  GC is not cost-free.  Ada 95 flexibly provides a
> programmer with capable mechanisms to manually manage memory.  Plus the

In many cases these are not really sufficient without herculian
efforts.  I've been there.


> safeguards of Ada help minimize creating slop to clean up and so the
> deallocation can likely be managed easily enough manually.  I am not 
> against using GC if its reliability is guaranteed and it saves me some 
> money.  Otherwise I prefer to manually control the deallocation.

Fine.  Then just don't use it.


> You argue that GC is already worthwhile for the culture of C++ 
> programming.  Perhaps it is most cost-effective if an operating system
> does GC instead of having several programs doing their own GC.  That seems
> to be a goal of the Java Virtual Machine.

A worthy goal.  But not something any viable OS is going to provide
anytime soon.

> > Lars Farm, lars.farm@ite.mh.se:
> > Ada allows GC, C++ doesn't even acknowledge its existence.  One would
> > have thought that the stricter Ada would be easier to adapt to GC than
> > the "sloppy" C++.

Lars, what on Earth (or anywhere else) makes you think otherwise??


> I argue that GC is far less worthwhile for the culture of Ada programming.
> (Similarly Ada spared us from needing an equivalent C Lint program to 
> clean up code).

Come on.  While it is less useful in several cases, it is still
extremely useful in many typical cases.  Unless you so narrowly define
Ada programming as to exclued all those application areas.  I sure
don't want to do this.


/Jon
-- 
Jon Anthony
Organon Motives, Inc.
Belmont, MA 02178
617.484.3383
jsa@organon.com





  parent reply	other threads:[~1996-10-16  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 126+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1996-10-13  0:00 Garbage Collection in Ada Jonas Nygren
1996-10-13  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-13  0:00 ` Lars Farm
1996-10-13  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]     ` <19961014115513529729@dialup105-2-16.swipnet.se>
1996-10-16  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-16  0:00         ` Lars Farm
1996-10-16  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-16  0:00             ` Hans-Juergen Boehm
1996-10-17  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-17  0:00                 ` Hans-Juergen Boehm
1996-10-17  0:00               ` Robert A Duff
1996-10-17  0:00                 ` Larry Kilgallen
1996-10-17  0:00                 ` Hans-Juergen Boehm
1996-10-17  0:00             ` Lars Farm
1996-10-23  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-16  0:00         ` Hans-Juergen Boehm
1996-10-16  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-16  0:00             ` Hans-Juergen Boehm
1996-10-17  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-17  0:00                 ` Hans-Juergen Boehm
1996-10-17  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-13  0:00   ` Larry Kilgallen
1996-10-14  0:00   ` John Howard
1996-10-15  0:00     ` Lars Farm
1996-10-15  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-15  0:00         ` Lars Farm
1996-10-15  0:00         ` Hans-Juergen Boehm
1996-10-17  0:00         ` Thomas Kendelbacher
1996-10-17  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-23  0:00         ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-10-23  0:00           ` Larry Kilgallen
1996-10-15  0:00       ` Robert A Duff
1996-10-14  0:00   ` Robert A Duff
1996-10-14  0:00     ` Lars Farm
1996-10-15  0:00       ` Robert A Duff
1996-10-16  0:00         ` Lars Farm
1996-10-16  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-17  0:00             ` Robert A Duff
1996-10-19  0:00               ` Richard Kenner
1996-10-19  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-19  0:00                 ` Lars Farm
1996-10-20  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-20  0:00                     ` Robert A Duff
1996-10-20  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-21  0:00                     ` Lars Farm
1996-10-21  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-21  0:00                         ` Lars Farm
1996-10-21  0:00                     ` Geert Bosch
1996-10-21  0:00                       ` Hans-Juergen Boehm
1996-10-23  0:00                     ` Fergus Henderson
1996-10-24  0:00                     ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-10-20  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1996-10-20  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-21  0:00                     ` Hans-Juergen Boehm
1996-10-21  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-15  0:00     ` Hans-Juergen Boehm
1996-10-15  0:00   ` Keith Thompson
1996-10-14  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-10-15  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-15  0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-10-15  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-16  0:00   ` whiting_ms@corning.com (Matt Whiting)
1996-10-16  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-17  0:00   ` John Howard
1996-10-17  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-18  0:00       ` Lars Farm
1996-10-19  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-20  0:00           ` Lars Farm
1996-10-21  0:00             ` Nicolay Belofastow
1996-10-21  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-21  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-22  0:00               ` Lars Farm
1996-10-20  0:00         ` Robert A Duff
1996-10-20  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-22  0:00         ` Mitch Gart
1996-10-23  0:00           ` Fergus Henderson
1996-10-23  0:00           ` Hans-Juergen Boehm
1996-10-27  0:00             ` Richard Riehle
1996-10-29  0:00         ` Jon S Anthony
1996-10-30  0:00         ` James Rogers
1996-10-30  0:00         ` Jon S Anthony
1996-10-30  0:00         ` Brian Rogoff
1996-10-30  0:00         ` Jonas Nygren
1996-10-18  0:00       ` Hans-Juergen Boehm
1996-10-18  0:00       ` Lars Farm
1996-10-20  0:00         ` Robert A Duff
1996-10-15  0:00 ` Hannes Haug
1996-10-16  0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1996-10-16  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-16  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-10-17  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-16  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-10-16  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony [this message]
1996-10-16  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-10-17  0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-10-17  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-17  0:00     ` Richard Kenner
1996-10-17  0:00 ` Hans-Juergen Boehm
1996-10-17  0:00 ` Rick Hudson
1996-10-18  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-10-18  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-18  0:00 ` Rick Hudson
1996-10-18  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-10-23  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-21  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-10-21  0:00 ` Laurent Pautet
1996-10-22  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-10-22  0:00 ` Tapani Rundgren
1996-10-23  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-10-24  0:00   ` Mitch Gart
1996-10-24  0:00 ` Hans-Juergen Boehm
1996-10-24  0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-10-25  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-10-28  0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-10-29  0:00 ` Hans-Juergen Boehm
     [not found] <01bbc6a3$4cf03480$829d6482@joy.ericsson.se>
1996-10-31  0:00 ` Mitch Gart
1996-10-31  0:00   ` Jonas Nygren
1996-11-03  0:00   ` Matthew Heaney
1996-11-06  0:00     ` Robert A Duff
1996-11-06  0:00       ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-11-01  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-06  0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1996-11-07  0:00   ` Tucker Taft
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1996-11-02  0:00 Jon S Anthony
1996-10-22  0:00 Brian Rogoff
1996-10-11  0:00 C++ Standardization (was: Once again, Ada absent from DoD SBIR solicitation) Dave Wood
1996-10-17  0:00 ` Garbage Collection in Ada Thomas Kendelbacher
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