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From: jsa@alexandria (Jon S Anthony)
Subject: Re: Ada and Automotive Industry
Date: 1996/11/22
Date: 1996-11-22T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <JSA.96Nov22185732@alexandria> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3280DA96.15FB@hso.link.com


In article <EACHUS.96Nov21153411@spectre.mitre.org> eachus@spectre.mitre.org (Robert I. Eachus) writes:

> In article <3293C05E.7932@thomsoft.com> Dave Wood <dpw@thomsoft.com> writes:
> 
>   > Yes, but to date Boeing and the airline industry have shown far
>   > more interest in safe software than the backward automotive
>   > industry.  I suspect it will take a catastrophic and
>   > widely-publicized failure (more to the point, one resulting in
>   > large liability claims) before this industry decides to take steps
>   > to protect their shareholders^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h customers from
>   > "Level A" software failures.
> 
>    You are an optimist.  There has already been one major incident
> like this (the Audi 5000), and one which is just developing (air-bags

Sorry.  There never was any evidence that there was anything wrong
with the Audi 5000 accelerator.  All the evidence pointed to the
incompetence of the average American driver - who appears to be too
stupid and clumsy to be able to determine the difference between an
accelerator and break pedal.


> The belief is that the Audi 5000 cases were single point hardware
> failures

Baloney.  The end reports indicated a failure of the drivers to
differentiate break and accelerator.  Part of the problem appears to
have been due to the placement of the pedals favoring a driver who
actually knows something about car control and higher performance
driving.  Unfortunately, the marketeers targeted the wrong folks over
here.


/Jon
-- 
Jon Anthony
Organon Motives, Inc.
Belmont, MA 02178
617.484.3383
jsa@organon.com





  parent reply	other threads:[~1996-11-22  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 163+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1996-11-01  0:00 Ada and Automotive Industry ETHoierman
1996-11-05  0:00 ` Stanley R. Allen
1996-11-06  0:00 ` Stanley R. Allen
1996-11-06  0:00   ` James Thiele
1996-11-06  0:00     ` Stanley R. Allen
1996-11-07  0:00       ` Dale Stanbrough
1996-11-11  0:00       ` Ken Tindell
1996-11-11  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-11  0:00         ` Matthew Heaney
1996-11-11  0:00           ` Philip Brashear
1996-11-07  0:00     ` Frank Manning
1996-11-11  0:00     ` Frank Manning
1996-11-13  0:00       ` Richard Riehle
1996-11-14  0:00         ` Jack Patteeuw
1996-11-16  0:00           ` David Taylor
1996-11-20  0:00             ` Richard Riehle
1996-11-21  0:00               ` Dave Wood
1996-11-21  0:00             ` Art Schwarz
1996-11-22  0:00               ` Ken Tindell
1996-11-22  0:00               ` Robert B. Love 
1996-11-24  0:00               ` "Paul E. Bennett"
1996-11-18  0:00           ` David Taylor
1996-11-17  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-18  0:00           ` Ken Tindell
1996-11-22  0:00             ` Richard Kenner
1996-11-23  0:00               ` James Thiele
1996-11-27  0:00                 ` Richard Kenner
1996-11-22  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1996-12-05  0:00             ` Michael Warner
1996-11-20  0:00           ` Richard Riehle
1996-11-23  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-25  0:00               ` Richard Riehle
1996-11-27  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-27  0:00                 ` Ken Garlington
1996-12-01  0:00                   ` Richard Riehle
1996-11-27  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-29  0:00                   ` Richard Riehle
1996-12-02  0:00                   ` Chris Hills
1996-12-04  0:00                   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-25  0:00               ` Ken Tindell
1996-11-24  0:00             ` Richard Kenner
1996-11-25  0:00               ` Ken Tindell
1996-11-26  0:00                 ` John Dammeyer
1996-11-26  0:00                   ` Ken Garlington
1996-11-25  0:00               ` Richard Riehle
     [not found]           ` <Pine.GSO.3.95.961120154239.3 <Pine.GSO.3.95.961201100430.21598A-100000@nunic.nu.edu>
1996-12-01  0:00             ` James Thiele
1996-11-27  0:00         ` Jon S Anthony
1996-12-03  0:00           ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-12-03  0:00             ` Ted Dennison
1996-12-11  0:00             ` Richard Riehle
1996-12-13  0:00               ` Ted Dennison
1996-11-13  0:00       ` Ken Tindell
1996-11-11  0:00     ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-11-14  0:00     ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-11-15  0:00       ` William P. Milam
1996-11-08  0:00   ` Ken Garlington
1996-11-08  0:00   ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-11-08  0:00     ` James Thiele
1996-11-08  0:00       ` nasser
1996-11-09  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-22  0:00           ` Dirk Dickmanns
1996-11-10  0:00       ` Matthew Heaney
1996-11-11  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-11  0:00           ` James Thiele
1996-11-12  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-12  0:00       ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-11-12  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-13  0:00           ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-11-14  0:00         ` William P. Milam
1996-11-19  0:00           ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-11-15  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-15  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-16  0:00         ` Adam Beneschan
1996-11-22  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-16  0:00         ` Geert Bosch
1996-11-21  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-11  0:00     ` Ken Tindell
1996-11-11  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-11  0:00       ` Matthew Heaney
     [not found]   ` <847341612snz@transcontech.co.uk>
1996-11-10  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-12  0:00       ` "Paul E. Bennett"
1996-11-15  0:00   ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-11-15  0:00     ` William P. Milam
1996-11-15  0:00     ` John Howard
1996-11-15  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-18  0:00       ` Ken Tindell
1996-11-18  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-19  0:00         ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-12-05  0:00         ` Michael Warner
1996-12-06  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-21  0:00     ` James Weaver
1996-11-21  0:00   ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-11-22  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony [this message]
1996-11-22  0:00   ` Chris Hills
1996-11-23  0:00   ` Ralph Paul
1996-11-24  0:00   ` Otto Lind
1996-11-25  0:00     ` Richard Kenner
1996-11-28  0:00       ` Eyal Ben-Avraham
1996-11-29  0:00         ` Richard Kenner
1996-11-25  0:00   ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-11-26  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-26  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-27  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-27  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-12-01  0:00   ` Chris Hills
1996-12-01  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-12-01  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-12-02  0:00     ` Robert A Duff
1996-12-02  0:00   ` Chris Hills
1996-12-03  0:00     ` Andy Ashworth
1996-12-03  0:00       ` Ian Ward
1996-12-03  0:00   ` George Romanski
1996-12-05  0:00     ` Ken Tindell
1996-12-03  0:00   ` Ted Dennison
1996-12-03  0:00   ` Ken Garlington
1996-12-04  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-12-11  0:00   ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-12-13  0:00   ` Ted Dennison
1996-12-13  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-12-14  0:00   ` Chris Hills
1996-12-19  0:00     ` Ian Ward
1996-12-17  0:00   ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-12-18  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-12-19  0:00   ` Robert I. Eachus
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1996-11-11  0:00 James Thiele
1996-11-12  0:00 James Thiele
1996-11-13  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-15  0:00   ` Ken Garlington
1996-11-13  0:00 ` Frank Manning
1996-11-13  0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-11-12  0:00 James Thiele
1996-11-13  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1996-11-13  0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-11-24  0:00 Ingemar Persson
1996-11-25  0:00 Ada and automotive industry W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
1996-11-27  0:00 Ada and Automotive Industry W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
     [not found] <1996Nov30.130532.522@decus.org.nz>
1996-12-02  0:00 ` Ken Garlington
     [not found] <1996Dec2.221233.523@decus.org.nz>
1996-12-02  0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-12-05  0:00 Franco Mazzanti
1996-12-06  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-12-11  0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-12-13  0:00   ` Ted Dennison
1996-12-15  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-12-17  0:00       ` Tucker Taft
1996-12-18  0:00       ` Geert Bosch
1996-12-18  0:00       ` Robert A Duff
1996-12-18  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-12-18  0:00           ` Robert A Duff
1996-12-18  0:00             ` Ken Garlington
1996-12-19  0:00               ` Robert A Duff
1996-12-20  0:00                 ` Philip Brashear
1996-12-20  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1996-12-22  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1996-12-23  0:00                 ` Ken Garlington
1996-12-18  0:00       ` Keith Thompson
1996-12-18  0:00         ` Keith Thompson
1996-12-17  0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-12-10  0:00 Franco Mazzanti
1996-12-11  0:00 Franco Mazzanti
1996-12-11  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-12-13  0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
     [not found] <1996Dec11.220521.525@decus.org.nz>
1996-12-11  0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-12-13  0:00 Franco Mazzanti
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