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From: jsa@organon.com (Jon S Anthony)
Subject: Re: Is the "Ada mandate" being reconsidered?
Date: 1996/06/14
Date: 1996-06-14T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <JSA.96Jun14153525@organon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 4mq7mg$8hs@jake.probe.net


In article <4ppb89$gbq@gde.GDEsystems.COM> Michael Levasseur <levass@gdesystems.com> writes:

> Theodore E. Dennison wrote:
>...
> > In any event, you can now get an Ada compile for FREE.
> 
> Yes, but do you know of any major DoD projects that are be developed
> using GNAT? When you buy a FREE compiler you get what you pay for.

Hmmm, in this case what you get is something better (in some cases a
_LOT_ better) than most of the Ada83 compilers that cost 10s of
thousands of dollars per seat.  The trick is to get support with
it (which as I've said has been for me much better than what I've
seen from others software vendors).


> Remember what the "Ada Mandate" was created to do. It was created to
> reduce the DoD software maintanence of over 200 langauges down to
> just one. The commercial world has now paired the major languages
> down to a handfull. It is now time to drop the Ada Mandate! If
> Ada is as strong as everyone says, clearly it will thrive and survive.

Yes, I believe this may be the right thing to do.  It might even help
remove the stigma of government from the language.  It is a tricky and
non obvious issue, but overall, this probably would be a good idea.


> I personnally believe that if that "Ada Mandate" was removed,
> Ada would take it's place in history like Jovial, Pascal, and Atlas...

I don't think so - these examples were either not commercially viable
or too limited in scope.  Another way of looking at this is to look at
the Eiffel market.  While not jumbo, there are signs that there is a
truly viable market emerging there even though Eiffel does not yet
have the level of support and use that Ada currently does.  So, this
is kind of a "proof" of concept that it is possible to market a good
software engineering language.  The real key is to hook enough
_commercial_ development into seeing the significantly better
capabilities of Ada over C (or C++) and that it has sufficient support
so that projects have good assurance that they will realize those
benefits.  Whether the government has enough brains to follow this is
really irrelevant (my guess is they don't - being knee jerk
"fadophiles").

/Jon

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Jon Anthony
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  parent reply	other threads:[~1996-06-14  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1996-05-08  0:00 Is the "Ada mandate" being reconsidered? Howard Dodson
1996-05-08  0:00 ` David Weller
1996-05-08  0:00 ` Thomas C. Timberlake
1996-05-08  0:00 ` Tucker Taft
     [not found]   ` <31913863.446B9B3D@escmail.orl.mmc.com>
1996-05-10  0:00     ` Robert Munck
1996-05-13  0:00       ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-05-13  0:00       ` Ken Garlington
1996-05-14  0:00         ` Robert Munck
1996-05-14  0:00           ` Tucker Taft
1996-05-17  0:00             ` Robert Munck
1996-06-03  0:00 ` Roy M. Bell
1996-06-09  0:00   ` Peggy Byers
1996-06-09  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-09  0:00     ` David Weller
1996-06-10  0:00     ` Ken Garlington
1996-06-10  0:00     ` James Krell
1996-06-11  0:00       ` Michael Levasseur
1996-06-12  0:00         ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-06-13  0:00           ` Michael Levasseur
1996-06-14  0:00             ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-06-15  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-17  0:00             ` Ken Garlington
1996-06-20  0:00             ` Joe Gwinn
1996-06-25  0:00               ` Bob Kitzberger
1996-06-12  0:00         ` Ken Garlington
1996-06-10  0:00     ` Tucker Taft
1996-06-10  0:00     ` Paul Whittington
1996-06-11  0:00 ` Jim Kingdon
1996-06-11  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-06-12  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-06-12  0:00   ` Tom Robinson
1996-06-12  0:00     ` Fergus Henderson
1996-06-13  0:00       ` Tom Robinson
1996-06-13  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-13  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-18  0:00           ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-06-18  0:00             ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-06-24  0:00         ` Carl Bowman
1996-06-13  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-06-13  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-13  0:00     ` Tucker Taft
1996-06-14  0:00       ` Tom Robinson
     [not found]     ` <31DD5234.11CB@thomsoft.com>
1996-07-18  0:00       ` Front Ends (was: Re: Is the "Ada mandate" being reconsidered?) Tom Robinson
1996-06-13  0:00 ` Is the "Ada mandate" being reconsidered? Jon S Anthony
1996-06-14  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony [this message]
1996-06-14  0:00 ` Jim Kingdon
1996-06-21  0:00   ` Richard Riehle
1996-06-22  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-14  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-07-19  0:00 ` Front Ends (was: Re: Is the "Ada mandate" being reconsidered?) Jon S Anthony
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1996-06-14  0:00 Is the "Ada mandate" being reconsidered? Mark Bell
1996-06-14  0:00 Mark Bell
1996-06-14  0:00 ` Kevin J. Weise
1996-06-17  0:00   ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-06-18  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-24  0:00   ` Michael Levasseur
1996-06-17  0:00 Marin David Condic, 407.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1996-06-19  0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-06-19  0:00 ` Jim Kingdon
1996-06-21  0:00 Bob Crispen
1996-06-25  0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1996-06-25  0:00   ` Michael Feldman
1996-06-27  0:00     ` Joe Gwinn
1996-06-29  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-01  0:00         ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-06-27  0:00 ` Bob Crispen
1996-06-27  0:00 ` Jim Kingdon
1996-06-28  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-06-30  0:00 ` Nasser Abbasi
1996-07-03  0:00   ` Joe Gwinn
1996-07-08  0:00     ` Ken Garlington
1996-07-08  0:00     ` Bob Kitzberger
1996-07-10  0:00       ` Joe Gwinn
1996-07-10  0:00         ` David Emery
1996-07-11  0:00           ` Michael Feldman
1996-07-15  0:00             ` Brad Balfour
1996-07-11  0:00         ` James Rhodes
1996-07-11  0:00         ` Jim Chelini
1996-07-22  0:00           ` Joe Gwinn
1996-07-12  0:00       ` Jon S Anthony
1996-06-30  0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1996-06-30  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-30  0:00     ` Richard Kenner
1996-07-12  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
     [not found] <nhd91w250f.fsf@paralysys>
1996-07-16  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
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