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From: jsa@organon.com (Jon S Anthony)
Subject: Re: Is the "Ada mandate" being reconsidered?
Date: 1996/06/13
Date: 1996-06-13T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <JSA.96Jun13144137@organon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 4pn0rs$mbe@gde.GDEsystems.COM


In article <Dsx9Dt.y3.0.-s@inmet.camb.inmet.com> stt@henning.camb.inmet.com (Tucker Taft) writes:

> Note that this approach to having multiple compiler vendors
> use a common front end has a long history in the C, C++, and Fortran 
> marketplace, and is even increasing in the C++ marketplace with the 
> growing predominance of Edison Design Group's C++ front end.

Exactly.  This is precisely the sort of thing that we should all be
_ecstatic_ about: A first step toward true interoperable reuse of
software, "OK, fine - I'll buy your frontend because it is better than
ACME's, and put our special purpose backend for the DELTA 3000
embedded chip on it.  Great!  All your current users will
automatically be quite familiar with the look and feel and use of the
thing."

The HW guys have known this "secret" for ages.


> The justification is simply that the more people who use the same
> front end, the fewer bugs will be left in it for *you* to stumble
> over.

Exactly.

> In fact, the proliferation of Ada 83 front ends I believe
> was one of the major problems with the Ada 83 marketplace.

Abso-fraggen-lutely.

>[spot on stuff snipped]


> With the new, smaller number of front ends, more coordination 
> is likely (e.g. the GNAT and the Intermetrics folks keep in 
> close touch on pragmas and attributes, etc), and you can
> more likely find another compiler based on the same front end on 
> your next target.

Yes, the benefits of this really can't be overestimated at present.


> As an anecdote, there are several users who have found that 
> the biggest expense in porting from Ada 83 to Ada 95 is the inevitable
> expense in porting from front-end to front-end, not in accommodating 83=>95 
> language changes

Quite true.  For us this accounted for _all_ the significant problems
in moving a piece of legacy code to Ada95.


>  Having lots of front ends out there is not 
> necessarily a "good thing" given limited overall resources...

You are being too kind.  It would be the kiss of death for Ada.


/Jon
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Jon Anthony
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  parent reply	other threads:[~1996-06-13  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1996-05-08  0:00 Is the "Ada mandate" being reconsidered? Howard Dodson
1996-05-08  0:00 ` David Weller
1996-05-08  0:00 ` Thomas C. Timberlake
1996-05-08  0:00 ` Tucker Taft
     [not found]   ` <31913863.446B9B3D@escmail.orl.mmc.com>
1996-05-10  0:00     ` Robert Munck
1996-05-13  0:00       ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-05-13  0:00       ` Ken Garlington
1996-05-14  0:00         ` Robert Munck
1996-05-14  0:00           ` Tucker Taft
1996-05-17  0:00             ` Robert Munck
1996-06-03  0:00 ` Roy M. Bell
1996-06-09  0:00   ` Peggy Byers
1996-06-09  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-09  0:00     ` David Weller
1996-06-10  0:00     ` James Krell
1996-06-11  0:00       ` Michael Levasseur
1996-06-12  0:00         ` Ken Garlington
1996-06-12  0:00         ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-06-13  0:00           ` Michael Levasseur
1996-06-14  0:00             ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-06-15  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-17  0:00             ` Ken Garlington
1996-06-20  0:00             ` Joe Gwinn
1996-06-25  0:00               ` Bob Kitzberger
1996-06-10  0:00     ` Tucker Taft
1996-06-10  0:00     ` Ken Garlington
1996-06-10  0:00     ` Paul Whittington
1996-06-11  0:00 ` Jim Kingdon
1996-06-11  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-06-12  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-06-12  0:00   ` Tom Robinson
1996-06-12  0:00     ` Fergus Henderson
1996-06-13  0:00       ` Tom Robinson
1996-06-13  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-13  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-18  0:00           ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-06-18  0:00             ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-06-24  0:00         ` Carl Bowman
1996-06-13  0:00     ` Tucker Taft
1996-06-14  0:00       ` Tom Robinson
1996-06-13  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-13  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony [this message]
     [not found]     ` <31DD5234.11CB@thomsoft.com>
1996-07-18  0:00       ` Front Ends (was: Re: Is the "Ada mandate" being reconsidered?) Tom Robinson
1996-06-13  0:00 ` Is the "Ada mandate" being reconsidered? Jon S Anthony
1996-06-14  0:00 ` Jim Kingdon
1996-06-21  0:00   ` Richard Riehle
1996-06-22  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-14  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-06-14  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-07-19  0:00 ` Front Ends (was: Re: Is the "Ada mandate" being reconsidered?) Jon S Anthony
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1996-06-14  0:00 Is the "Ada mandate" being reconsidered? Mark Bell
1996-06-14  0:00 Mark Bell
1996-06-14  0:00 ` Kevin J. Weise
1996-06-17  0:00   ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-06-18  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-24  0:00   ` Michael Levasseur
1996-06-17  0:00 Marin David Condic, 407.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1996-06-19  0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-06-19  0:00 ` Jim Kingdon
1996-06-21  0:00 Bob Crispen
1996-06-25  0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1996-06-25  0:00   ` Michael Feldman
1996-06-27  0:00     ` Joe Gwinn
1996-06-29  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-01  0:00         ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-06-27  0:00 ` Bob Crispen
1996-06-27  0:00 ` Jim Kingdon
1996-06-28  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-06-30  0:00 ` Nasser Abbasi
1996-07-03  0:00   ` Joe Gwinn
1996-07-08  0:00     ` Ken Garlington
1996-07-08  0:00     ` Bob Kitzberger
1996-07-10  0:00       ` Joe Gwinn
1996-07-10  0:00         ` David Emery
1996-07-11  0:00           ` Michael Feldman
1996-07-15  0:00             ` Brad Balfour
1996-07-11  0:00         ` James Rhodes
1996-07-11  0:00         ` Jim Chelini
1996-07-22  0:00           ` Joe Gwinn
1996-07-12  0:00       ` Jon S Anthony
1996-06-30  0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1996-06-30  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-30  0:00     ` Richard Kenner
1996-07-12  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
     [not found] <nhd91w250f.fsf@paralysys>
1996-07-16  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
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