From: jsa@alexandria (Jon S Anthony)
Subject: Re: C is 'better' than Ada because...
Date: 1996/08/13
Date: 1996-08-13T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <JSA.96Aug13124751@alexandria> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 31e02c32.342948604@netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov
In article <4um1l9$klq@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Craig Franck <clfranck@worldnet.att.net> writes:
> jsa@alexandria (Jon S Anthony) wrote:
> >In article <4uj42h$j06@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Craig Franck <
> >> Realize it's much easier get a C compiler up and running for an embedded
> >> system that it is an Ada compiler. To even call it an Ada compiler it
> >> must pass a validation suite.
> >
> >First point: Why do you think this? There seems to be quite a lot of
> >evidence indicating that this is not true.
> >
> >Second point. Just plain wrong. If you want, you can call your C++
> >compiler an Ada compiler. Of course, no one will take you seriously,
> >but you are free to do so.
>
> Well I'm not an Ada expert, but I have "Ada as a Second Language"
> by Norman Cohen and "Ada Programmer Handbook" by Dean Gonzalez.
You don't have to be an Ada expert, just someone with a clue. That book
is out of date in general (Ada83) and in any event the so called registered
trademark bit was removed a good 7 or 8 _years_ ago. It never held any
legal weight anyway.
> If I were to bid on a contract, tell the DOD I'm developing in Ada
> and submit C++, I think they would call that "fraud".
This is just completely irrelvant to the point. A compiler vendor can
call his product Ada if he wants, even if it does not comform in any
way with ISO/IEC 8652:1995. Your bidding on the _use_ of Ada in a
project while using C++ is a completely different issue.
> I think part of the resistance to Ada is C belongs to the world.
> Ada belongs to the government! :-)
>
> If this has changed, please enlighten me!
It was never like this, so you have always been in the dark. However,
in the past, the cost of getting into it was really prohibitive except
for major players. Now, with Gnu Ada (GNAT), an excellent high
quality system _freely_ available on all major platforms (UNI*, soon
to be VMS, Windoze(95/NT), DOS, and now MAC), this too is really _old_
think. And the vendors are putting out the same or better excellent
implementations with full IDEs, built in GUI builders, etc., for
reasonable prices (in the MSVC++ range or less) for Windoze(95/NT) and
UNI*.
And, what's more, you can use your Ada code as Java applications. The
Intermetrics AdaMagic Ada95 to Java compiler fully integrates with
Java (the JVM and the Java classes and Java applets).
Please consider this an attempt at your enlightenment :-)
For those who would like to browse a multi award winning web site for
further enlightenment, check out the Home of the Brave Ada Programmers:
http://lglwww.epfl.ch/Ada/
/Jon
--
Jon Anthony
Organon Motives, Inc.
1 Williston Road, Suite 4
Belmont, MA 02178
617.484.3383
jsa@organon.com
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1996-06-22 0:00 ` Nasser Abbasi
1996-06-22 0:00 ` David Morton
1996-06-22 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-23 0:00 ` The Deviant
1996-06-23 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-23 0:00 ` John Winters
1996-06-23 0:00 ` Michael Feldman
1996-06-24 0:00 ` token%/etc/HOSTNAME
1996-06-23 0:00 ` John Winters
1996-06-23 0:00 ` David Morton
1996-06-23 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
1996-06-27 0:00 ` ) OH NO "...begs the question..." Ralph Silverman
1996-06-28 0:00 ` Bill Wendling
1996-06-23 0:00 ` C is 'better' than Ada because John Winters
1996-06-23 0:00 ` David Morton
1996-06-30 0:00 ` Nasser Abbasi
1996-06-23 0:00 ` Nasser Abbasi
1996-06-23 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1996-06-23 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-28 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
[not found] ` <874508446wnr@t-cubed.demon.co.uk>
1996-06-29 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-06-29 0:00 ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-06-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-30 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-01 0:00 ` Mike Roske
1996-07-01 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-02 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-07-03 0:00 ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-07-04 0:00 ` Ian Ward
1996-07-05 0:00 ` Peter Amey
1996-07-05 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-10 0:00 ` James A. Squire
1996-07-15 0:00 ` Oliver Kellogg
1996-07-16 0:00 ` Oliver Kellogg
1996-07-18 0:00 ` Fraser Wilson
1996-07-18 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-19 0:00 ` Keith Thompson
1996-07-17 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-11 0:00 ` James A. Squire
1996-07-16 0:00 ` Nasser Abbasi
1996-07-16 0:00 ` Mark A Biggar
1996-07-17 0:00 ` Laurent Guerby
1996-07-17 0:00 ` David Emery
1996-07-17 0:00 ` James A. Squire
1996-07-18 0:00 ` James A. Squire
1996-07-07 0:00 ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-07-08 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-10 0:00 ` John F. Bode
1996-07-11 0:00 ` Mike Roske
1996-07-10 0:00 ` Peter Hermann
1996-07-15 0:00 ` Tim McGuire
1996-07-16 0:00 ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-07-16 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-18 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-07-19 0:00 ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-07-19 0:00 ` Richard O'Rourke
1996-07-22 0:00 ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-07-22 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-23 0:00 ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-07-23 0:00 ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-07-24 0:00 ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-07-24 0:00 ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-07-25 0:00 ` Steve Howard
1996-07-25 0:00 ` Alan Brain
1996-07-27 0:00 ` Bob Kitzberger
1996-07-26 0:00 ` Mike Roske
1996-07-25 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-25 0:00 ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-07-26 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-26 0:00 ` kennedy1
1996-07-23 0:00 ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-07-24 0:00 ` JamesS1889
1996-07-24 0:00 ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-07-27 0:00 ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-07-29 0:00 ` Ada is 'better' than C because John Herro
1996-07-30 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1996-07-30 0:00 ` Adam Beneschan
1996-07-31 0:00 ` Franz Kruse
1996-08-04 0:00 ` Richard Riehle
1996-08-05 0:00 ` Sandy McPherson
1996-08-06 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-08-06 0:00 ` GAFFNEY.BRIAN
1996-08-07 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-08-08 0:00 ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-08-08 0:00 ` Frank Lipski
1996-08-09 0:00 ` Sandy McPherson
1996-08-15 0:00 ` Mike Stark
1996-08-07 0:00 ` Bob Kitzberger
1996-08-08 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-08 0:00 ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-07-29 0:00 ` C is 'better' than Ada because Dirk Dickmanns
1996-07-30 0:00 ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-07-31 0:00 ` whiting_ms@corning.com (Matt Whiting)
1996-07-31 0:00 ` Dirk Dickmanns
1996-07-31 0:00 ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-08-01 0:00 ` Alan Brain
1996-08-02 0:00 ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-08-05 0:00 ` Byron B. Kauffman
1996-08-15 0:00 ` Mike Roske
1996-08-15 0:00 ` David Shochat
1996-08-16 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-08-16 0:00 ` John Herro
1996-08-16 0:00 ` John Herro
1996-08-16 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-08-05 0:00 ` Robb Nebbe
1996-08-02 0:00 ` Dirk Dickmanns
1996-07-29 0:00 ` Bob Kitzberger
1996-07-30 0:00 ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-07-30 0:00 ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-07-30 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-30 0:00 ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-07-30 0:00 ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-08-08 0:00 ` Ada is 'better' than C because William Clodius
1996-08-09 0:00 ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-08-09 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-12 0:00 ` OBryan Anthony H
1996-08-12 0:00 ` Bob Kurtz
1996-08-12 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
1996-08-13 0:00 ` Tom Watson
1996-08-14 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-29 0:00 ` C is 'better' than Ada because system
1996-07-30 0:00 ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-07-24 0:00 ` Dirk Dickmanns
1996-07-25 0:00 ` Alan Brain
1996-07-18 0:00 ` Bob Gilbert
1996-07-19 0:00 ` Kevin D. Quitt
[not found] ` <4rvr2j$2gb0@info4.rus.uni-s <nhn30yhw6t.fsf@paralysys>
1996-07-18 0:00 ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-07-18 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-26 0:00 ` Richard Riehle
1996-07-08 0:00 ` C is 'better' than Ada ... NOT!! Hugh Dunne
1996-07-08 0:00 ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-07-12 0:00 ` C is 'better' than Ada because John F. Bode
1996-07-15 0:00 ` Sandy McPherson
1996-07-18 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-19 0:00 ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-07-19 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-07-20 0:00 ` Michael Feldman
1996-07-21 0:00 ` Alfonso Urdaneta
1996-07-21 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-22 0:00 ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-07-22 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-26 0:00 ` Richard Riehle
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1996-07-31 0:00 ` Darrin Smith
1996-07-31 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1996-08-01 0:00 ` Jerry van Dijk
1996-08-06 0:00 ` Kirk Bradley
1996-08-09 0:00 ` Richard Riehle
1996-08-10 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1996-08-16 0:00 ` Richard Riehle
1996-08-18 0:00 ` Craig Franck
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1996-08-02 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-11 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
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1996-08-11 0:00 ` Doug & Rose Miller
1996-08-11 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1996-08-11 0:00 ` Doug & Rose Miller
1996-08-12 0:00 ` Craig Franck
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1996-08-18 0:00 ` Doug & Rose Miller
1996-08-20 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1996-07-23 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-07-27 0:00 ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-07-27 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
1996-07-29 0:00 ` Ian Ward
1996-07-30 0:00 ` Bob Cousins
1996-07-30 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-09-05 0:00 ` Bob Cousins
1996-08-13 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-08-14 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1996-08-28 0:00 ` Van Snyder
1996-08-14 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-08-15 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1996-08-15 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1996-08-16 0:00 ` Don Nelson
1996-08-19 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1996-08-19 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-08-28 0:00 ` Van Snyder
1996-08-30 0:00 ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-08-15 0:00 ` Stefan 'Stetson' Skoglund
1996-08-15 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-08-20 0:00 ` nasser
1996-07-19 0:00 ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-08-15 0:00 ` David Weller
1996-08-15 0:00 ` William C Brennan
1996-07-08 0:00 ` C is 'better' than Ada ... NOT!! Frank Manning
1996-07-08 0:00 ` C is 'better' than Ada because Ian Ward
1996-07-18 0:00 ` Hamilton Link
1996-07-19 0:00 ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-07-10 0:00 ` Stephen M O'Shaughnessy
1996-07-10 0:00 ` Peter Seebach
1996-07-18 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1996-07-19 0:00 ` James A. Squire
1996-07-29 0:00 ` William Clodius
1996-07-30 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-31 0:00 ` Tim Behrendsen
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1996-08-02 0:00 ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-05 0:00 ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-08-06 0:00 ` is Ada 'better' than C? (Was: Re: C is 'better' than Ada because...) Antoine Leca
1996-08-06 0:00 ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-07-30 0:00 ` C is 'better' than Ada because Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-30 0:00 ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-01 0:00 ` Byron B. Kauffman
1996-08-01 0:00 ` Ian Ward
1996-07-31 0:00 ` Ralph Silverman
1996-07-30 0:00 ` William Clodius
1996-08-01 0:00 ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-07-30 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-08-01 0:00 ` David Wheeler
1996-08-01 0:00 ` Olivier Devuns @pulsar
1996-08-11 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-08-12 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1996-08-12 0:00 ` John Howard
1996-08-13 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1996-08-13 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-08-14 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1996-08-12 0:00 ` James A. Squire
1996-08-12 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1996-08-14 0:00 ` Stephen M O'Shaughnessy
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1996-08-19 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-08-20 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1996-08-20 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-08-21 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1996-08-27 0:00 ` Valentin Bonnard
1996-07-06 0:00 ` Walter B. Hollman Sr.
1996-07-05 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-07-08 0:00 ` Peter Hermann
1996-07-09 0:00 ` Dirk Dickmanns
1996-07-12 0:00 ` ntxbow
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1996-07-15 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-16 0:00 ` Ian Ward
1996-07-17 0:00 ` Dale Stanbrough
1996-07-23 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-07-29 0:00 ` William Clodius
1996-07-31 0:00 ` Darin Johnson
1996-08-01 0:00 ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-01 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-08-01 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-08-05 0:00 ` Stefan 'Stetson' Skoglund
1996-08-16 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-07-01 0:00 ` James A. Squire
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1996-07-31 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-08-01 0:00 ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-02 0:00 ` Ralph Silverman
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1996-07-31 0:00 ` Bob Kitzberger
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1996-08-03 0:00 ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-05 0:00 ` Kevin D. Quitt
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