From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <erikf@visi.com>
Subject: Re: Ada vs C++ vs Java
Date: 1999/01/13
Date: 1999-01-13T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Itdn2.4755$TO5.135057@ptah.visi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 369CF85A.B108ACA8@pobox.com
Ralph Cook <rcook@pobox.com> wrote in message
news:369CF85A.B108ACA8@pobox.com...
>> Well, Java is gaining a lot of vendor support. But be aware that the
>> language is changing rapidly and that there is no standardization of it.
>
>This is a lie. Sun has been criticized for controlling its standardization
too
>much.
Ummm.. Standardization means standardization by a public comittee like ISO
or ANSI. While Sun has made a lot of hoopla about making Java an ISO
standard, it's not even really begun yet.
>The language has evolved, so that versions 1.0, 1.1, and 1.2 are more
different
>than
>similar version numbers of, say, a compiler for an already defined
language.
>But there
>IS a standard, regardless of what MS thinks.
Who said anything about MS? The fact is that Java can change at Sun's whim.
That's not a standard, nor is it something you want to base a long term
project on.
>> New versions are likely to make older code obsolete (for instance, the
>> switch from 1.0.x to 1.1 introduced whole new event models). It's a very
>> immature language and is likely to go through a lot more growing pains.
>
>Your bias against Java is obvious: let me restate this in a less
>negative way. The language has gone through many changes; how many
>it has to go through yet before being considered "mature" is a matter of
>opinion. I think, myself, that the parts of the it they didn't get quite
right
>in the first place are mostly reworked satisfactorily now, and that
>growth and change will slow down greatly. Others (obviously) think
>differently on the subject.
Are you willing to bet your next 20 year project on that? Suppose your (or
others) life depended on it. Java hasn't even been around long enough to
prove it's stability over time. I'm not saying that it's not stable, I'm
simply saying that it isn't old enough to get valid statistics.
>> >- support "almost real time" execution
>>
>> Well, Java certainly can't do this yet. C++ can, depending on OS
support.
>> ADA most certainly does, or it wouldn't be able to be used in Jet
Avionics
>> and such.
>
>Unfortunately, the phrase is meaningless, so we can't say what languages
>can and cannot do this (on what processors and OSs, again). Real-time
>means a lot of things, but really what somebody needs is "fast enough".
Real time doesn't mean a lot of things. It has a pretty well defined
meaning. It means the ability to react to external time-critical events as
they happen. For instance, you don't want a fly-by-wire aircraft avionics
system to have to wait 150 ms's to process that a wind gust has just pushed
a plane going Mach 7 downwards.
>Whether you're doing human genome mapping or GUI interaction makes
>a lot of difference. Don't get caught in the trap of thinking faster is
always
>better unless you really need all the speed you can get -- there are VERY
few
>applications/systems like that (and FORTRAN still has C, C++, and Java all
>beat in this regard).
in many applications faster is always better, as long as accuracy is also
present. You might be surprised at how many time-critical applications
there really are. An ATM network might not seem like it's speed sensitive,
but it is. When processing millions of transactions an hour speed is of
very great importance.
Don't get caught in the trap of thinking that every application is a
stand-alone application running on a single user PC.
>> C++ generally isn't. There is an "embedded C++" that's in the works, and
>> there might even be some implementations. C is better for embedded work
>> than C++. I don't know the specifics of ADA embedded work.
>
>And Java can work well in many embedded environments, and has definitions
>of EmbeddedJava and PersonalJava for the purpose. I note that the original
>responder doesn't mention this...
Both of which do not exist in practical form yet.
>> Well, I would vote against Java. It's too immature for a long term
project
>> and has questionable speed.
>
>And I would vote for Java; you need to figure out if there is enough speed
>(for your environments and applications) *regardless* of your language.
>The runtime environment is far easier to debug, and the language itself is
>more strictly OO, without the baggage of C compatibility. I find Java's
>changes to be less of a problem than things about C++ that will not change.
So, tell me. If you were about to start a 15 year project in which you
cannot go back and rewrite code because of compiler changes, and you were
betting your own personal fortune on it's success (if not your life). Would
you still choose Java?
>> Your choice of ADA and C++ has many factors. It's likely going to be
easier
>> to find people to maintain C++ code than ADA. It's also got more 3rd
party
>> support. Both are standardized, although not all current compilers
support
>> the full standard C++ yet (in fact, I don't know of any that are fully
>> compliant yet).
>
>Isn't it wonderful to have a standard that no one supports?
>What does that mean?
The standard was only ratified last year (1998). It takes time for
implementations to match the standard. Yes, It's true that the standard has
been roughly static for about 2 years, but most compiler vendors didn't want
to take the chance of it changing yet again (like it's done several times
before when it was "almost done"). The standard is done, it's now a matter
of vendors implementing it.
>And there *is* a java standard; go and get the books from Barnes
>& Noble if you want.
There is no international standard for Java. Java is what Sun says it is,
and that's not a standard.
>Again, the previous poster seems to have given up on Java.
>I would expect people familiar with Java to be more numerous
>than for Ada, but I don't have numbers and don't really know.
>Actually, I'd try to hire good programmers and have them use
>whatever language got chosen; good programmers are harder
>to find than people who know the tricks of one language.
And what do you do when all you have are people that know the tricks of one
language and can't find any "good" programmers?
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1999-01-12 0:00 Ada vs C++ vs Java Leszek Sczaniecki
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Peter
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Michael J. Tobler
1999-01-15 0:00 ` dewar
1999-01-15 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-01-15 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-14 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Peter Sch�ller
1999-01-13 0:00 ` David Gillon
1999-01-24 0:00 ` Y2.1K (was: Ada vs C++ vs Java) Nick Roberts
1999-02-05 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1999-02-05 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Ada vs C++ vs Java Richard Krehbiel
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Dave Hansen
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-14 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-15 0:00 ` dewar
1999-01-15 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Emil Rojas
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Herman
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-15 0:00 ` David R. Conrad
1999-01-15 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Michael J. Tobler
1999-01-15 0:00 ` Al Christians
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Michael J. Tobler
1999-01-16 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-16 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-16 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Bob Munck
1999-01-24 0:00 ` COBOL/Top-Down prog'g (was: Ada vs C++ vs Java) Nick Roberts
1999-01-25 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-22 0:00 ` Ada vs C++ vs Java Patrick Wibbeler
1999-01-26 0:00 ` Ken
1999-01-27 0:00 ` Scott Johnson
1999-01-26 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-27 0:00 ` Peter Amey
1999-01-29 0:00 ` P.S. Norby
1999-01-27 0:00 ` Robert Garskof
1999-01-27 0:00 ` Jay O'Connor
1999-01-28 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-28 0:00 ` Joshua fit de wall
1999-01-29 0:00 ` Herman
1999-01-31 0:00 ` Ruth Ivimey-Cook
1999-01-31 0:00 ` him/her: was: " robert_dewar
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Peter Amey
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Ola Liljedahl
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-15 0:00 ` Ola Liljedahl
1999-01-15 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Chris Gray
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Tom Maier
1999-01-21 0:00 ` Brent A Ellingson
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Crazy Pete
1999-01-15 0:00 ` Markus Kuhn
1999-01-15 0:00 ` Peter
1999-01-15 0:00 ` David C. Hoos, Sr.
1999-01-15 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Bob Cousins
1999-01-14 0:00 ` jim.hyslop
1999-01-15 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-14 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-13 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Erik Funkenbusch
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Ken Keys
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-15 0:00 ` Ken Keys
1999-01-15 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-15 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-18 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-14 0:00 ` John Woodruff
1999-01-15 0:00 ` Ken Keys
1999-01-15 0:00 ` Marc A. Criley
1999-01-15 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-18 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-15 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Ralph Cook
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Erik Funkenbusch [this message]
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Bob Munck
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Dave Whipp
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Peter
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Corvus
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Gerhard Menzl
1999-01-14 0:00 ` John Birch
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Bjarne Stroustrup
1999-01-16 0:00 ` John Birch
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Pat Rogers
1999-01-16 0:00 ` John Birch
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Pat Rogers
1999-01-17 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-17 0:00 ` Mike Coffin
1999-01-17 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-04 0:00 ` mll
1999-02-04 0:00 ` mike
1999-02-04 0:00 ` John McCabe
1999-02-04 0:00 ` Hyman Rosen
1999-02-04 0:00 ` mike
1999-02-05 0:00 ` John McCabe
1999-02-05 0:00 ` Stephen Leake
1999-02-06 0:00 ` Michael Stark
1999-02-08 0:00 ` Stanley Friesen [Contractor]
1999-02-12 0:00 ` Michael Stark
1999-02-05 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Fredric L. Rice
1999-02-05 0:00 ` Richard D Riehle
1999-02-05 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-05 0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1999-02-05 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-05 0:00 ` mike
1999-02-06 0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1999-02-06 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-06 0:00 ` mike
1999-02-08 0:00 ` dennison
1999-02-08 0:00 ` Al Christians
1999-02-08 0:00 ` William Clodius
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Fredric L. Rice
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Matt Austern
1999-02-08 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Fredric L. Rice
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Fredric L. Rice
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1999-02-06 0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1999-02-08 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1999-02-08 0:00 ` mike
1999-02-08 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Geoff Bull
1999-02-09 0:00 ` atomly
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-02-09 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-10 0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1999-02-10 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-10 0:00 ` mike
1999-02-10 0:00 ` Al Christians
1999-02-12 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-10 0:00 ` nabbasi
1999-02-12 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-10 0:00 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
1999-02-11 0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1999-02-12 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-13 0:00 ` Dale Stanbrough
1999-02-15 0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1999-02-16 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-15 0:00 ` P.S. Norby
1999-02-16 0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Fredric L. Rice
[not found] ` <79fnce$iv8@drn.newsguy.c <36beecef.70d8ed5e@pwfl.com>
1999-02-08 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-02-08 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-02-07 0:00 ` James S. Rogers
1999-02-07 0:00 ` mike
1999-02-07 0:00 ` James S. Rogers
1999-02-07 0:00 ` mike
1999-02-07 0:00 ` atomly
1999-02-08 0:00 ` Pascal Obry
1999-02-08 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-08 0:00 ` Dan Nagle
1999-02-08 0:00 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
1999-02-08 0:00 ` Geoff Bull
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Fredric L. Rice
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-02-07 0:00 ` Simon Wright
1999-02-09 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-09 0:00 ` nabbasi
1999-02-08 0:00 ` robert_dewar
[not found] ` <79 <36BF2098.11E0761B@erols.com>
1999-02-08 0:00 ` Bjarne Stroustrup
1999-02-09 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Geoff Bull
1999-02-08 0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
[not found] ` <79k65l$s0t@drn.news <36c006b8.fc6c187d@acenet.com.au>
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Fredric L. Rice
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-02-06 0:00 ` Geoff Bull
1999-02-05 0:00 ` mike
1999-02-08 0:00 ` Geoff Bull
1999-02-08 0:00 ` mike
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Geoff Bull
1999-02-09 0:00 ` P.S. Norby
1999-02-08 0:00 ` Stanley Friesen [Contractor]
1999-02-05 0:00 ` Andrew Koenig
1999-02-06 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1999-02-08 0:00 ` mike
1999-02-08 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Geoff Bull
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1999-02-09 0:00 ` dennison
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Geoff Bull
1999-02-09 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-17 0:00 ` Ell
1999-01-17 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-17 0:00 ` Mike Coffin
1999-01-17 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-17 0:00 ` Mike Coffin
1999-01-19 0:00 ` adam
1999-01-18 0:00 ` kevin
1999-01-20 0:00 ` Michael J. Tobler
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Michael Rubenstein
1999-01-19 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-21 0:00 ` Lieven Marchand
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Mike Coffin
1999-01-20 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-01-21 0:00 ` adam
1999-01-23 0:00 ` Simon Wright
1999-01-22 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-22 0:00 ` adam
1999-01-23 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-24 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-01 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1999-02-01 0:00 ` Al Christians
1999-02-02 0:00 ` Jerry van Dijk
1999-01-18 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1999-01-19 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-20 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1999-01-21 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-22 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1999-01-24 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-24 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1999-01-25 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-25 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1999-01-21 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-21 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1999-01-21 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-21 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-27 0:00 ` Ola Liljedahl
1999-01-27 0:00 ` Scott Johnson
1999-01-27 0:00 ` Instruction Set Semantics Nick Roberts
1999-01-28 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-28 0:00 ` Ada vs C++ vs Java robert_dewar
1999-01-15 0:00 ` Wolfgang Denk
1999-01-15 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Michael J. Tobler
1999-01-25 0:00 ` Real-time dyn allctn (was: Ada vs C++ vs Java) Nick Roberts
1999-01-25 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-26 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1999-01-28 0:00 ` dmitrik
1999-01-29 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1999-01-25 0:00 ` John Birch
1999-01-26 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1999-01-27 0:00 ` John Birch
1999-01-25 0:00 ` Niklas Holsti
1999-01-26 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1999-01-15 0:00 ` Ada vs C++ vs Java Herman
1999-01-15 0:00 ` Ola Liljedahl
1999-01-16 0:00 ` John Birch
1999-01-15 0:00 ` James Kanze
1999-01-16 0:00 ` John Birch
1999-01-17 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-17 0:00 ` phil
1999-01-17 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-18 0:00 ` John Birch
1999-01-18 0:00 ` Dynamic memory? (was Re: Ada vs C++ vs Java) Martijn Lievaart
1999-01-18 0:00 ` John Birch
1999-01-18 0:00 ` Martijn Lievaart
1999-01-18 0:00 ` John Birch
1999-01-18 0:00 ` John Birch
1999-01-18 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-19 0:00 ` James Kanze
1999-01-18 0:00 ` Martijn Lievaart
1999-01-18 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-18 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-18 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-19 0:00 ` news.oxy.com
1999-01-25 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1999-01-26 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-19 0:00 ` bourguet
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Laurent Safa
1999-01-20 0:00 ` Michael J. Tobler
1999-01-21 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1999-01-21 0:00 ` Georg Bauhaus
1999-01-21 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-18 0:00 ` James Kanze
1999-01-20 0:00 ` Stanley Friesen [Contractor]
1999-01-18 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-18 0:00 ` Ken Keys
1999-01-26 0:00 ` Scott Johnson
1999-01-18 0:00 ` Ada vs C++ vs Java James Kanze
1999-01-18 0:00 ` John Birch
1999-01-18 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-19 0:00 ` James Kanze
1999-01-18 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-18 0:00 ` James Kanze
1999-01-18 0:00 ` John Birch
1999-01-18 0:00 ` James Kanze
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-15 0:00 ` Gerhard Menzl
1999-01-15 0:00 ` John Birch
1999-01-16 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Michael J. Tobler
1999-01-16 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-18 0:00 ` Draconian coding standards (was: Ada vs C++ vs Java) dennison
1999-01-18 0:00 ` dewar
1999-01-18 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-18 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-18 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-19 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-19 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Simon Wright
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Bob Munck
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Aidan Skinner
1999-01-19 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Ada vs C++ vs Java Crazy Pete
1999-01-16 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Judah Diament
1999-01-16 0:00 ` bill
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Al Christians
1999-01-17 0:00 ` Dennis
1999-01-17 0:00 ` Judah Diament
1999-01-17 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-17 0:00 ` bill
1999-01-26 0:00 ` Enforcement of coding standards (was: Ada vs C++ vs Java) Nick Roberts
1999-01-26 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-18 0:00 ` Ada vs C++ vs Java dennison
1999-01-18 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-01-18 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Crazy Pete
1999-01-19 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-20 0:00 ` Christopher Browne
1999-01-19 0:00 ` bill
1999-01-20 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-21 0:00 ` Peter Hend�n
1999-01-20 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-20 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-20 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-20 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-21 0:00 ` dewar
1999-01-21 0:00 ` bourguet
1999-01-21 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-20 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-21 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-21 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-21 0:00 ` Al Christians
1999-01-21 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-21 0:00 ` Al Christians
1999-01-22 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-21 0:00 ` bill_1
1999-01-22 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-22 0:00 ` Ada mode requests (Re: Ada vs C++ vs Java) dennison
1999-01-22 0:00 ` David C. Hoos, Sr.
1999-01-24 0:00 ` dewar
1999-01-28 0:00 ` John McCabe
1999-01-29 0:00 ` John McCabe
1999-01-29 0:00 ` dewar
1999-01-29 0:00 ` John McCabe
1999-01-30 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-30 0:00 ` John McCabe
1999-01-25 0:00 ` John McCabe
[not found] ` <36afc1ec.20165240@news.geccs.gecm.com>
1999-01-26 0:00 ` John McCabe
1999-01-27 0:00 ` dennison
[not found] ` <36b019e5.897220@news.geccs.gecm.com>
1999-01-28 0:00 ` John McCabe
[not found] ` <36b170cd.1793333@news.geccs.gecm.com>
1999-01-29 0:00 ` John McCabe
1999-01-29 0:00 ` dewar
1999-01-29 0:00 ` Samuel Tardieu
1999-01-30 0:00 ` John McCabe
1999-01-22 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-22 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-22 0:00 ` David C. Hoos, Sr.
1999-01-24 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-22 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-22 0:00 ` Ada vs C++ vs Java bill_1
1999-01-22 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-23 0:00 ` Simon Wright
1999-01-23 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-24 0:00 ` Simon Wright
1999-01-24 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-24 0:00 ` dewar
[not found] ` <36af43e6.7584350@news.geccs.gecm.com>
[not found] ` <36b04b91.9547583@news.geccs.gecm.com>
1999-01-26 0:00 ` Ada Mode wish list John McCabe
1999-01-26 0:00 ` Simon Wright
1999-01-22 0:00 ` Ada vs C++ vs Java Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
[not found] ` <m3g194bhzh.fsf@fred.muc.de>
1999-01-21 0:00 ` Stephen Leake
1999-01-20 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-20 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-20 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-20 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1999-01-21 0:00 ` Martin Dowie
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Peter Hend�n
1999-01-19 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-18 0:00 ` Gerhard Menzl
1999-01-18 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Michael J. Tobler
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Erik Funkenbusch
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Chris Gray
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-18 0:00 ` Ken Keys
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Corvus
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Herman
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Craig Garrett
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Michael Trausch
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Martijn Lievaart
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Michael J. Tobler
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Craig Garrett
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Jeff Carter
1999-01-15 0:00 ` dewar
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-18 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-18 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-24 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1999-01-20 0:00 ` Peter Flynn
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1999-01-14 0:00 ` Thaddeus L. Olczyk
1999-01-17 0:00 ` Craig Garrett
1999-01-20 0:00 ` Gerry Quinn
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Michael J. Tobler
1999-01-22 0:00 ` Tov Are Jacobsen
1999-01-13 0:00 ` John Woodruff
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1999-01-14 0:00 ` Siamak Kaveh
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Craig Garrett
1999-01-18 0:00 ` Ken Keys
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Pete Becker
1999-01-15 0:00 ` Scott Johnson
1999-01-15 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-18 0:00 ` James Kanze
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Scott Johnson
1999-01-15 0:00 ` Bruce Detter
1999-01-18 0:00 ` John Birch
1999-01-18 0:00 ` Bruce Detter
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Thanks everyone! (was Re: Ada vs C++ vs Java) Martijn Lievaart
1999-01-19 0:00 ` John Birch
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Scott Johnson
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Bob Cousins
1999-01-22 0:00 ` Ada vs C++ vs Java Dr. Hubert B. Keller
1999-01-22 0:00 ` Bob Cousins
1999-01-22 0:00 ` Roedy Green
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1999-01-14 0:00 ` forsyth
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-15 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Stanley R. Allen
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Network
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1999-01-15 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
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1999-01-16 0:00 ` bob
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1999-01-21 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1999-01-21 0:00 ` forsyth
1999-01-22 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
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