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From: "Pat Rogers" <progers@classwide.com>
Subject: Re: memory leakages with Ada?
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 19:51:04 GMT
Date: 2002-03-16T19:51:04+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ImNk8.12198$Nd7.2963308722@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 00t69uso35hmunf5mpnfn37ggd9q59tctu@4ax.com

"DPH" <rally2xs@compuserve.com> wrote in message
news:00t69uso35hmunf5mpnfn37ggd9q59tctu@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 16 Mar 2002 15:51:05 +0000 (UTC), Preben Randhol
> <randhol+abuse@pvv.org> wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 16 Mar 2002 09:56:41 -0500, DPH wrote:
> >>
> >> this goes back to a post I made last month.  I'm just wondering if Ada
> >> is all that much less error prone when you start comparing it with C++
> >> development environments in the wildly popular platforms of Windows
> >> and Linux, but especially windows.  There are just scads of tools to
> >> do about everything (except reliably find the memory leaks of C++,
> >> although there may be - and I just haven't run across it yet) and
> >> those tools are generally cheaper due to economy of scale.
> >
> >Ask yourself: Why do so many tools exist for C++?
>
> 'Cuz tthey're necessary.
>
> 'Cuz there's such a huge user base that they could make money on them
> even if they weren't necessary - they would still be convenient and
> therefore saleable.
>
> The question is - do they compensate enough for C++'s inherent
> tendancy to fool programmers into doing something ugly, coupled with
> the hoarde of people that know the language, to make them viable
> competiton for Ada in some limited programming environments like
> Windows and Unix/Linux?  Can you get an equally reliable program from
> an experienced C++ prgrammer with sophisticated tools that you get
> from an experienced Ada programmer for which the same tools don't
> exist?

Not sure that works, though, for two reasons:

        1) The tools are built into the language for the Ada side, so for the
most part they do exist and are comparably priced nowadays,

        2) The better question might be -- "At what price can these more or less
equally reliable programs be created?"

There is plenty of evidence that Ada is much more cost-effective than C for the
application domain Ada was designed for.  Unfortunately I don't know of much
meaningful comparison data for Ada vs. C++.    I know what my "gut" tells me,
but that isn't so useful in this context.





  reply	other threads:[~2002-03-16 19:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-03-14 14:07 memory leakages with Ada? Calvin Ow
2002-03-14 14:31 ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-03-14 20:42   ` Nick Roberts
2002-03-14 21:11     ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-03-14 21:07   ` Anh_Vo
2002-03-14 20:12 ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-15  9:37   ` John McCabe
2002-03-15 12:55     ` Pat Rogers
2002-03-16  4:36       ` Will
2002-03-16  4:53         ` Pat Rogers
2002-03-16 12:21         ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-03-16  9:13       ` DPH
2002-03-16 14:38         ` Pat Rogers
2002-03-16 14:56           ` DPH
2002-03-16 15:51             ` Preben Randhol
2002-03-16 16:39               ` DPH
2002-03-16 19:51                 ` Pat Rogers [this message]
2002-03-16 20:40                   ` DPH
2002-03-17 19:31                   ` Richard Riehle
2002-03-17 21:49                     ` Pat Rogers
2002-03-17 22:02                       ` Pat Rogers
2002-03-18 22:32                         ` Randy Brukardt
2002-03-18 22:47                           ` Pat Rogers
2002-03-18  7:22                       ` Richard Riehle
2002-03-18 17:35                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-17 16:26                 ` Steve Doiel
2002-03-16 20:18         ` Robert A Duff
2002-03-16 20:36           ` DPH
2002-03-15 14:20     ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-18 17:54       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-03-18 19:54         ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-18 20:34           ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-03-18 21:18             ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-18 21:45               ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-03-20  1:19                 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-20 17:06                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-03-20 17:56                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-03-20 17:48                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-22  0:25               ` Matthew Woodcraft
2002-03-22  5:10                 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-18 22:18         ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-20 20:49         ` Bertrand Augereau
2002-03-21  4:31         ` Will
2002-03-15 16:00     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-15 21:59       ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-03-17  5:43         ` Kevin Cline
2002-03-17  7:22           ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-03-18  4:09             ` Kevin Cline
2002-03-18 16:54               ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-03-18 17:38             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-03-19  9:21               ` John McCabe
2002-03-19 17:11                 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-03-19 17:16                   ` Pat Rogers
2002-03-19 17:51                   ` David C. Hoos
2002-03-19 18:20                   ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-03-19 23:43                     ` Mark Johnson
2002-03-20 15:09                       ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-03-17  7:27           ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-18  3:52             ` Kevin Cline
2002-03-18  5:37               ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-15 17:41   ` Kevin Cline
2002-03-15 18:00     ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-15 18:08     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-16 10:15       ` Kevin Cline
2002-03-14 23:14 ` Kevin Cline
2002-03-15  3:20 ` Steve Doiel
2002-03-15  9:32   ` John McCabe
2002-03-15 15:46     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-15 17:29     ` Kevin Cline
2002-03-15 15:48   ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-03-16  3:05     ` Steve Doiel
2002-03-16 20:19       ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-03-15 17:25   ` Kevin Cline
2002-03-15 18:03     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-16 10:07       ` Kevin Cline
2002-03-17  3:00         ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-15  9:27 ` John McCabe
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-03-20  6:25 Christoph Grein
2002-03-20 16:35 ` Hyman Rosen
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