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From: "Björn Persson" <spam-away@nowhere.nil>
Subject: Re: typed pipes
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 16:33:44 GMT
Date: 2007-02-24T16:33:44+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <INZDh.34725$E02.13742@newsb.telia.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: yge7iu7ekxt.fsf@hugsarin.dmusyd.edu

Jacob Sparre Andersen wrote:

> I am not sure if I would want the system to _force_ both ends of the
> pipe to agree, but I would definitely want the reading end to be
> _informed_ of what the writing end is doing.
> 
> But doing the Unchecked_Conversion once the data are inside the
> reading process is probably the correct solution.
> 
> This could probably not be done on the shell level, since pipes are an
> operating system feature, and not just a shell feature.

No, it definitely couldn't be done in a Unix shell. It would require very
deep changes to how the kernel handles files, including changes to the
system calls. And if you had it for pipes you'd want it for disk files too,
which would affect the filesystems. I suspect that the resulting operating
system would be almost, but not quite, entirely unlike Unix.

And how could you make it work for all programming languages? Types are very
much a programming language concept. I suppose you could design it so that
an Ada program could communicate "type File_Record is -18 .. 7000;" to
another Ada program, while a C program would see "int16_t", but how would
you explain tagged types, discriminants and stuff to C? And then there are
other languages with types that can't be expressed in Ada.

-- 
Bj�rn Persson                              PGP key A88682FD
                   omb jor ers @sv ge.
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  reply	other threads:[~2007-02-24 16:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 158+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-02-21 20:43 Ada.Command_Line and wildcards Gautier
2007-02-21 20:59 ` (see below)
2007-02-22  1:13   ` Marc A. Criley
2007-02-22  2:08   ` Adam Beneschan
2007-02-22  5:59     ` (see below)
2007-02-22  8:16   ` gautier_niouzes
2007-02-22 10:25     ` Simon Wright
2007-02-22 11:02     ` Alex R. Mosteo
2007-02-24  6:34       ` Martin Krischik
2007-02-24 11:46         ` Markus E Leypold
2007-02-24 14:54           ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-02-24 16:45             ` Markus E Leypold
2007-02-24 20:08               ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2007-02-24 20:45                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-02-25  0:39                   ` Björn Persson
2007-02-25 16:29                   ` Martin Krischik
2007-02-24 20:26               ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-02-25  7:46               ` Hyman Rosen
2007-02-25 13:19                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-03-05  1:07             ` Brian May
2007-03-05  1:39               ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-06  3:48                 ` Brian May
2007-03-05 12:16               ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-03-05 13:20                 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-06 12:56                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-03-06 15:07                     ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-07 22:06                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-03-08  5:07                         ` Simon Wright
2007-03-08  9:19                           ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-08  9:28                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-03-08  9:16                         ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-09 13:33                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-03-09 17:11                             ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-09 18:22                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-03-09 19:02                                 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-09 20:04                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-03-10 10:40                                     ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-11  0:15                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2007-03-11  7:59                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-03-11 14:55                                     ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-12 13:32                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2007-03-12 14:14                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-03-12 15:08                                         ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-16  8:06                                           ` Brian May
2007-03-16 12:53                                             ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-10  2:12                               ` Randy Brukardt
2007-03-10 10:52                                 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-10 15:48                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-03-10 18:11                               ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2007-03-10 18:42                                 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-12 14:25                                   ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2007-03-12 15:17                                     ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-09 13:41                       ` Robert Deininger
2007-03-09 17:15                         ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-09 18:58                           ` Larry Kilgallen
2007-03-10 10:27                             ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-06 15:08                     ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2007-03-07 19:21                     ` Hyman Rosen
2007-03-07 20:27                       ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-07 21:12                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-03-06  3:07                 ` Brian May
2007-02-24 18:28           ` Martin Krischik
2007-02-24 13:04         ` Larry Kilgallen
2007-02-24 16:16           ` Markus E Leypold
2007-02-25 14:18             ` Larry Kilgallen
2007-03-05  1:03         ` Brian May
2007-03-05 10:34           ` Martin Krischik
2007-03-05 20:46             ` Simon Wright
2007-02-22 11:19     ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-02-22 13:49       ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-02-22 14:25         ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-02-22 15:12           ` Larry Kilgallen
2007-02-22 15:15           ` Ludovic Brenta
2007-02-22 15:54             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-02-22 18:26               ` Markus E Leypold
2007-02-22 19:34                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-02-22 20:38                   ` Simon Wright
2007-02-23  8:43                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-02-25 16:35                 ` wildcards with unix shells Martin Krischik
2007-02-22 16:20             ` Ada.Command_Line and wildcards Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-02-22 18:34               ` Markus E Leypold
2007-02-22 19:30                 ` Niklas Holsti
2007-02-23  1:01                 ` Randy Brukardt
2007-02-23  4:44                   ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2007-02-23  5:06                   ` Anders Wirzenius
2007-02-24 16:37                     ` Simon Wright
2007-02-25 16:42                       ` Martin Krischik
2007-02-26 20:51                         ` Simon Wright
2007-02-27  7:11                           ` Martin Krischik
2007-02-27 21:32                             ` Björn Persson
2007-02-27 21:56                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-02-27 22:53                                 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-02-28 13:55                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-02-28 14:25                                     ` Markus E Leypold
2007-02-26 11:59                       ` Anders Wirzenius
2007-02-26 14:46                         ` Larry Kilgallen
2007-02-23  8:43                   ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2007-02-23 11:34                     ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-02-24 13:40                       ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2007-02-25 16:57                     ` Martin Krischik
2007-02-26 21:27                       ` Björn Persson
2007-02-27  7:18                         ` Martin Krischik
2007-02-23  8:49                 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-02-23  9:29                   ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2007-02-22 17:07       ` Adam Beneschan
2007-02-22 18:40         ` Markus E Leypold
2007-02-23 10:47         ` Rob Norris
2007-02-23 13:28         ` brian.b.mcguinness
2007-02-23 13:56           ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-02-23 17:10           ` Adam Beneschan
2007-02-22 20:12       ` Gautier
2007-02-23  1:15       ` Robert A Duff
2007-02-23  9:25         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2007-02-24  1:18           ` typed pipes (was: Ada.Command_Line and wildcards) Björn Persson
2007-02-24  8:16             ` typed pipes Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-02-24 13:37             ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2007-02-24 16:33               ` Björn Persson [this message]
2007-02-24 20:17                 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2007-02-25  1:11                   ` Björn Persson
2007-02-25  7:03                     ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2007-02-23 14:45         ` Ada.Command_Line and wildcards Larry Kilgallen
2007-02-24 19:24           ` Robert A Duff
2007-02-25  6:29             ` Hyman Rosen
2007-02-25 12:21               ` Robert A Duff
2007-02-25 16:22                 ` Pascal Obry
2007-02-25 16:44                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-02-26  5:03                     ` Hyman Rosen
2007-02-26  8:44                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-02-26 17:11                         ` Hyman Rosen
2007-02-26 17:34                           ` Markus E Leypold
2007-02-27 16:13                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-02-27 16:19                               ` Markus E Leypold
2007-02-27 16:39                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-02-27 17:56                                   ` Markus E Leypold
2007-02-27 20:29                               ` Randy Brukardt
2007-02-26 20:30                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-02-27  0:34                       ` Randy Brukardt
2007-02-27 14:52                         ` Hyman Rosen
2007-02-27 20:43                           ` Randy Brukardt
2007-02-27 20:56                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-02-25 17:50                 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2007-02-23 16:58         ` Adam Beneschan
2007-02-23 19:12           ` Hyman Rosen
2007-02-23 19:26             ` Adam Beneschan
2007-02-25 17:05               ` Martin Krischik
2007-02-24  1:19           ` Björn Persson
2007-02-24  3:46             ` Adam Beneschan
2007-02-24 11:42               ` Markus E Leypold
2007-02-25 17:02             ` Martin Krischik
2007-02-23 19:04         ` Hyman Rosen
2007-02-23 19:30           ` Adam Beneschan
2007-02-23 19:46             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-02-23 20:07             ` Markus E Leypold
2007-02-24  1:18             ` Björn Persson
2007-02-24 19:22           ` Robert A Duff
2007-02-24 20:26             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-02-25  7:32             ` Hyman Rosen
2007-02-21 21:43 ` Dr. Adrian Wrigley
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