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From: CONDIC@PSAVAX.PWFL.COM
Subject: Re: DOD-STD-2167a
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 10:34:04 EST
Date: 1995-01-30T10:34:04-05:00	[thread overview]
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From: Marin David Condic, 407.796.8997, M/S 731-93
Subject: Re: DOD-STD-2167a
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Doc Elliott <helliott@LOSAT.REDSTONE.ARMY.MIL> Writes:
>
>I didn't think that 2167A was all that bad!  Sure it had flaws, but those
>flaws only manifested themselves in programs where the standard was
>blindly and rigidly applied and interpreted by Government managers who
>didn't understand the software process.
>
I have to agree with this. 2167A can be made to work effectively
because it provides a bucket for every possible development
byproduct and an "enlightened" reading of the processes allows
for almost any development model. If you're good at tailoring it,
you can easily come up with a rational mapping to the practices
you think you need.

Still, there are the Les Miserables (sp?) style program managers
who can't quite seem to grok that. Hence 498 tried to require
fewer specific methods. I think it's an improvement, but we'd
still be better off if there were a way to "tailor requirements
*in*" rather than having to "tailor requirements *out*" The
latter generally leads to that "blind application of 'the rules'"
syndrome.

Pax,
Marin

Marin David Condic, Senior Computer Engineer    ATT:        407.796.8997
M/S 731-93                                      Technet:    796.8997
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             reply	other threads:[~1995-01-30 15:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1995-01-30 15:34 CONDIC [this message]
1995-01-30 19:32 ` DOD-STD-2167a Garlington KE
     [not found] <INFO-ADA%95012615321114@VM1.NODAK.EDU>
1995-01-27 12:42 ` DOD-STD-2167a Doc Elliott
     [not found] ` <3gqspo$n3l@usafa2.usafa.af.mil>
1995-02-06 16:23   ` DOD-STD-2167a Kevin Weise
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1995-01-23 20:23 DOD-STD-2167a Doc Elliott
1995-01-24 14:58 ` DOD-STD-2167a David Weller
1995-01-24 16:42 ` DOD-STD-2167a Garlington KE
1995-01-25 22:22 ` DOD-STD-2167a Chris Warack <sys mgr>
1995-01-18  3:36 DOD-STD-2167a Spencer Laird
1995-01-21 21:46 ` DOD-STD-2167a David O'Brien
1995-01-22 18:29   ` DOD-STD-2167a David Weller
1995-01-23 15:34   ` DOD-STD-2167a Garlington KE
1995-01-24 14:30     ` DOD-STD-2167a Jack Sheriff
1995-01-25 19:34       ` DOD-STD-2167a Oliver Kellogg
1995-01-24  5:25   ` DOD-STD-2167a Howard Verne
1995-01-26  2:03     ` DOD-STD-2167a Oliver Kellogg
1995-01-30 16:11     ` DOD-STD-2167a Scott . Smart CDR
     [not found]   ` <B <49686@suned1.Nswses.Navy.MIL>
1995-02-08 20:17     ` DOD-STD-2167a Doc Elliott
1995-01-24 17:51 ` DOD-STD-2167a Theodore E. Dennison
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