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From: tmoran@bix.com
Subject: Re: No Go To's Forever!
Date: 2000/03/23
Date: 2000-03-23T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <HRkC4.1999$U95.38761@news.pacbell.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 8bbsc6$aes$1@nnrp1.deja.com

>Well that's a different algorithm. It tests J against D'Last
>twice as often as my formulation.
  I would hardly call that a different algorithm.  Rather a
different implementation of the same algorithm.  But if you
want to call it different...

>Actually most compilers won't fix this, so you will find that
>your version actually does run noticably slower that the
>original.
  Right.  For each call on Swap and restart of the scanning, plus
one additional time, J will be compared against D'last.  That's
going to be a relatively miniscule slowdown.  If the data is
in order, yours does N comparisons against J and mine does N+1.
If the data is sorted backwards, the worst case, yours does
N + N*(N-1)/2 + N*(N-1)*(N-2)/6 comparisons against J and mine
does an additional N*(N-1)/2+1  That's 66% more when N=2 (5 vs 3)
declining to 3% more when N=100 (171,701 vs 166,750) and so forth.
Hardly "twice as many".  And nobody who cared would use this
algorithm anyway.

>Please tackle the harder problem: Take the algorithm *I*
>presented, and remove the goto without changing the sequence
>of computations, and see if that result is clearer.

>  <<Do_It_Again>>
>     for J in 1 .. N - 1 loop
>        if D (J) < D (J + 1) then
>           Swap (D (J), D (J + 1));
>           goto Do_It_Again;
>        end if;
>     end loop;

This should be pretty close to the same run-time sequence of machine
operations, so I hope you'll accept it as "the same algorithm".
I don't find it as clear as the "changed algorithm" method.

      J := D'first;
      while J < D'last loop
         if D (J) >= D (J + 1) then   -- sorted so far
            J := J+1;                 -- continue
         else
            Swap (D (J), D (J + 1));  -- out of order, move item
            J := D'first;             -- and start over
         end if;
      end loop;

>P.S. I don't find your changed algorithm clearer, precisely
>because of the peculiar duplicated check.
  Perhaps some comments would help?

   loop
     J := D'first;
     while J < D'last and then D(J) >= D(J+1) loop -- compare
       J := J+1;                                   -- continue if in order
     end loop;
     exit when J >= D'last;    -- If at end, we can't swap, but are done.
     Swap (D (J), D (J + 1));  -- Otherwise move item
   end loop;                   -- and start over

So gotos may be appropriate for Adventure games and other FSMs, but
a goto doesn't buy much for this sort algorithm.




  reply	other threads:[~2000-03-23  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 105+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-03-21  0:00 No Go To's Forever! Bill Dale
2000-03-21  0:00 ` Charles Hixson
2000-03-21  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-21  0:00     ` Michael P. Walsh
2000-03-21  0:00       ` Andrew Berg
2000-03-22  0:00         ` Wes Groleau
2000-03-22  0:00           ` No Go To's Forever! (I'm sorry I spoke...) dis90072
2000-03-23  0:00             ` tmoran
2000-03-23  0:00               ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-03-22  0:00     ` No Go To's Forever! Ken Garlington
2000-03-22  0:00       ` Marin D. Condic
2000-03-22  0:00         ` Roger Barnett
2000-03-22  0:00           ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-03-23  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-23  0:00         ` Keith Thompson
2000-03-24  0:00           ` Ted Dennison
2000-03-27  0:00             ` Keith Thompson
2000-03-28  0:00               ` Come From Forever! (was: No Go To's Forever!) Ted Dennison
2000-03-29  0:00                 ` Keith Thompson
2000-03-24  0:00           ` No Go To's Forever! Marin D. Condic
2000-03-25  0:00           ` Richard D Riehle
2000-03-21  0:00   ` Gautier
2000-03-22  0:00   ` Tim Gahnström
2000-03-21  0:00     ` David Starner
2000-03-22  0:00     ` tmoran
2000-03-22  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-22  0:00         ` tmoran
2000-03-23  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-23  0:00             ` tmoran [this message]
2000-03-23  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-23  0:00                 ` tmoran
2000-03-24  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-24  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
2000-04-16  0:00                     ` Kenneth Almquist
2000-04-17  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
2000-04-17  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
2000-04-18  0:00                         ` Dale Stanbrough
2000-04-18  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
2000-04-18  0:00                           ` David Starner
2000-03-23  0:00                 ` Jeff Carter
2000-03-24  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-29  0:00                 ` Martin Dowie
2000-03-29  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-29  0:00                   ` Florian Weimer
2000-03-29  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-30  0:00                       ` Robert A Duff
2000-04-01  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
2000-04-01  0:00                           ` Robert A Duff
2000-04-02  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
2000-04-21  0:00                       ` Florian Weimer
2000-04-21  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-29  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-24  0:00         ` tmoran
2000-03-22  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-22  0:00       ` Ken Garlington
2000-03-21  0:00         ` Keith Thompson
2000-03-22  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-23  0:00           ` Ken Garlington
2000-03-22  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-23  0:00       ` Tim Gahnstr�m
2000-03-21  0:00 ` David Starner
2000-03-21  0:00   ` Bill Dale
2000-03-22  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-22  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-22  0:00     ` Paul Graham
2000-03-22  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-22  0:00         ` Michael P. Walsh
2000-03-22  0:00           ` Charles Hixson
2000-04-06  0:00             ` Wes Groleau
2000-04-07  0:00               ` Charles Hixson
2000-03-22  0:00         ` Brian Rogoff
2000-03-22  0:00           ` Ted Dennison
2000-03-22  0:00             ` Michael P. Walsh
2000-03-23  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-22  0:00         ` Paul Graham
2000-03-23  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-23  0:00             ` Ted Dennison
2000-03-23  0:00               ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-03-23  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-23  0:00               ` Paul Graham
2000-03-23  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-22  0:00     ` Robert A Duff
2000-03-22  0:00     ` Roger Barnett
2000-03-22  0:00       ` Charles Hixson
2000-03-22  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-22  0:00 ` Richard D Riehle
2000-03-23  0:00   ` Jeff Carter
2000-03-23  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-23  0:00     ` Michael P. Walsh
2000-03-23  0:00       ` Brian Rogoff
2000-03-22  0:00 ` Marin D. Condic
2000-03-22  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-22  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-22  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-22  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
2000-03-22  0:00       ` Roger Barnett
2000-03-23  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-23  0:00           ` Roger Barnett
2000-03-24  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-23  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-22  0:00         ` Jon S Anthony
2000-03-23  0:00   ` Chris Morgan
2000-03-22  0:00 ` Pascal Obry
     [not found] ` <01bf9436$9c054880$2c5101be@bthomas4663>
2000-03-23  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-23  0:00   ` Ken Garlington
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