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From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)
Subject: Re: Ok sorry, it is just a book gives no feedback.
Date: 8 Jan 2001 07:57:23 -0500
Date: 2001-01-08T07:57:23-05:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <GYA4WaO3aNGQ@eisner.decus.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Ph3xP601vQlt@eisner.decus.org

In article <3A59B1E1.A46DBE47@acm.org>, Marin David Condic <mcondic.nospam@acm.org> writes:
> Larry Kilgallen wrote:
> 
>> Been there, done that, got the T-shirt.  I detested it.
>> I think one of the great debugger advances has been to
>> use a small engine in the process being debugged and
>> put the great bulk of the debugger (GUI, etc.) into
>> another process where it will not impact addresses,
>> etc.  (Of course that does not eliminate the heisenbug
> 
> I am presuming that you are talking about having a relatively small chunk of code in an
> embedded app that will grab the contents of memory and send it down the wire upon request,
> etc.? The concept of an on-board monitor that will load & read memory, maintain lists of
> addresses to watch & report on periodically, etc. has been around for a while. They work very
> nicely - especially since they remain in the production code/box so that you can actually use
> them in the field if necessary. You don't need any special equipment besides the presence of
> a communication link.

Actually, my own concerns are more within a single general-purpose operating
system where one wants a full GUI debugger interface run by one process and
debugging another process.

My other application, closer to yours, is for debugging kernel code on a
general-purpose operating system with a separate system handling the GUI
for the debugger.

While the same approaches work for me as for you embedded folks, I post
this reply to emphasize the diversity of interests in the newsgroup.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-01-08 12:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-12-31 14:18 Ok sorry, it is just a book gives no feedback Mark Pagdin
2000-12-31 16:56 ` Robert Dewar
2000-12-31 16:57 ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-01 11:03 ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2001-01-02  9:23 ` Newsgroup cla (was: Ok sorry, it is just a book gives no feedback.) Anders Wirzenius
2001-01-02 10:44   ` Florian Weimer
2001-01-02 13:21     ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-01-02 12:45   ` Andrew Hately
2001-01-02 13:25     ` Florian Weimer
2001-01-02 22:26 ` Ok sorry, it is just a book gives no feedback John English
2001-01-03  6:24 ` Nick Roberts
2001-01-04 13:14   ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-04 15:49     ` n_brunot
2001-01-04 17:09       ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-05  8:53         ` n_brunot
2001-01-05 13:45           ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-05 21:23             ` Randy Brukardt
2001-01-06  4:05               ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-01-06 17:11                 ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-06 20:26                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-01-06 22:40                     ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-07  1:12                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-01-07  4:19                         ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-07 17:12                           ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-01-08 12:26                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-01-08 12:57                             ` Larry Kilgallen [this message]
2001-01-08 15:01                     ` Stephen Leake
2001-01-08 15:58                       ` Ted Dennison
2001-01-09 21:13                       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2001-01-06 19:46               ` Laurent Guerby
2001-01-06 20:36                 ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-07 13:09                   ` Laurent Guerby
2001-01-07 15:56                     ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-07 16:25                       ` Laurent Guerby
2001-01-07 15:58                     ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-07 17:19                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-01-06  7:13           ` Simon Wright
2001-01-07 16:00             ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-07 17:16             ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-01-04 17:11       ` Robert Dewar
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