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From: tmoran@acm.org
Subject: Re: Buffer overflow Article - CACM
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 01:35:10 -0600
Date: 2005-11-13T01:35:10-06:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <GOadnVJadoAzceveRVn-iA@comcast.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: uYzdf.18228$Zv5.14884@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net

>In one paragraph, they criticize C as being vulnerable to such attacks
>and then dismiss Pascal as being unable to address low-level issues.
  They also say "the performance cost of bounds checking (reported in [the
'Cyclone' variant of C]) involves up to an additional 100% overhead."
I tried
      -- Lo, Hi, and A are procedure parameters, so their values
      -- and bounds are not known at compile time.
      for i in Lo .. Hi loop
        A(i) := 0;
      end loop;
with Gnat 3.15p with bounds checking on or off, -O2, and got a 65%
degradation, (Because the bounds are pushing the index out of a register?)
In the real world, my impression is that 10-15% is a more common cost of
all checking on vs all off.  Even at 65%, if the 20% of the code that
takes 80% of the time were hand checked and then compiled with checking
suppressed, 65% would change to 13% or about 3 months of CPU age by
Moore's law.

>This kind of article appears every now and then. The authors of these
>articles write as if it is necessary to improve C or invent new tools
>when all they really have to do is discover Ada.
  Sometimes one does feel like an observer watching a primitive tribe
do something the very hard way.  #.#

  They also quite fail to mention the x86's Bound instruction (does
anybody use it?) or descriptor architectures like the Burroughs machines
of 40 years ago.



  reply	other threads:[~2005-11-13  7:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-11-13  5:14 Buffer overflow Article - CACM adaworks
2005-11-13  7:35 ` tmoran [this message]
2005-11-13  8:49 ` Martin Krischik
2005-11-13 11:55   ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-11-13 14:58     ` Florian Weimer
2005-11-14 13:44       ` Marc A. Criley
2005-11-14 19:13     ` Martin Krischik
2005-11-13 15:02 ` Florian Weimer
2005-11-13 15:44 ` Stephen Leake
2005-11-14 14:40   ` adaworks
2005-11-13 23:57 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2005-11-14  6:51   ` Martin Dowie
2005-11-14 17:55     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2005-11-15  9:14       ` Martin Dowie
2005-11-14  7:09   ` Pascal Obry
2005-11-14  8:35     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-11-14 20:57       ` Simon Wright
2005-11-15  8:49         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-11-15 14:03           ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-11-15 15:14             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-11-15 22:32               ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-11-16  1:21                 ` Robert A Duff
2005-11-16  9:26                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-11-16 13:02                   ` adaworks
2005-11-17 11:13                     ` Martin Dowie
2005-11-14 17:58     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2005-11-14 18:44       ` Larry Kilgallen
2005-11-25  5:56       ` Christopher Browne
2005-11-26  1:31         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2005-11-27 21:36         ` adaworks
2005-11-28 12:12           ` Simon Clubley
2005-12-01  2:35           ` robin
2005-12-01  7:05             ` adaworks
2005-12-03 13:42               ` robin
2005-12-03 18:18                 ` adaworks
2005-12-12  1:23                   ` robin
2005-12-31  7:39                   ` robin
2005-12-31 17:03                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-01-01 12:12                     ` Martin Krischik
2006-01-01 23:12                       ` robin
2006-01-02  3:37                         ` jimmaureenrogers
2006-01-12 22:10                           ` robin
2006-01-03  9:52                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-01-12 22:10                           ` robin
2006-01-12 22:36                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-01-13 19:53                             ` Keith Thompson
2006-01-13 20:22                               ` Dan Nagle
2006-01-14 17:50                               ` Björn Persson
     [not found]                             ` <12ces1lv5dvm6pifdapj11o1hrtlm6ec7q@4ax.com>
2006-01-13 23:28                               ` robin
2005-11-30 15:27         ` robin
2005-11-14 10:17   ` Peter Amey
2005-11-29  8:16     ` Harald Korneliussen
2005-11-29 10:48       ` Peter Amey
2005-11-30 21:21       ` Brian May
2005-12-01  5:36         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2005-12-01  9:01           ` Harald Korneliussen
2005-12-01 11:21             ` Martin Dowie
2005-12-01 17:58             ` Jeffrey R. Carter
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