From: robin <robin_v@bigpond.nospam.com>
Subject: Re: Market pressures for more reliable software
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 13:55:49 GMT
Date: 2001-07-01T13:55:49+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <FZF%6.17889$e5.41504@newsfeeds.bigpond.com> (raw)
Lao Xiao Hai <laoxhai@ix.netcom.com> writes: >
>
> "Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz" wrote:
>
> > ENIAC was before my time, but I'd agree that development was probably
> > centralized in those days. What is in dispute is whether development was
> > centralized in the years or decades immediately preceding the PC. But
> > distributed development occurred even when the computer was centralized, even
> > before the 7090.
>
> Perhaps. But, for most organizations, emphasis on the word most, computing
> resources within an organization was under the centralized managment of
> one central authority. Moreover, most of the computing was located in one
> place. It is true that some very large corporations had computers distributed
> across their divisions, but that was a luxury not affordable by most of industry.
>
> This centralization, during the 70's and through the mid-80's even extended to
> collections of companies. Ever hear of a service bureau. In service bureaus
> we centralized the computing for vertical markets as well as for such things
> as payroll, general accounting, and other business applications. There was
> very little distributed development before the advent of, first the minicomputer,
> and later the microcomputer.
>
> Networks were still a mystery for most people. Programmers were busy
> grinding out programs in COBOL. Compilers needed large memory spaces
> and operating systems and these were hosted on million dollar plus machines,
> making it too expensive to distribute them all over the place.
Neither large nor expensive.
One machine we had cost (then) $150,000 and had 402 words of main
memory and 32K bytes of rotating storage.
The smaller IBM 360 machines had 16K bytes to 32K bytes.
> The exceptions
> were the Fords, Chryslers, and other industrial giants with money to burn.
>
> I spent a lot of years consulting to, developing software for, and cleaning up
> after these centralized computing facilities.
>
> Things are a lot more distributed now. Frankly, as I look at the quality of some
> of the software, I am not sure that can be classified as progress.
>
> Richard Riehle
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2001-07-06 0:09 Market pressures for more reliable software R. Vowels
2001-06-28 4:01 robin
2001-06-28 7:30 ` Roedy Green
2001-06-28 16:12 ` Dale King
2001-06-28 12:16 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-29 12:14 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-07 18:14 Long names are doom ? Pete Thompson
2001-06-07 20:30 ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-07 19:46 ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-07 20:20 ` Benjamin.Altman
2001-06-07 22:04 ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-09 6:10 ` Dale King
2001-06-12 8:42 ` James Kanze
2001-06-12 15:01 ` Dan Mercer
2001-06-12 17:16 ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-12 21:21 ` Dan Mercer
2001-06-13 3:54 ` Roedy Green
2001-06-13 13:48 ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-13 14:57 ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-13 16:22 ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-13 19:48 ` Market pressures for more reliable software Roedy Green
2001-06-13 20:42 ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-13 21:27 ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-14 5:09 ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-06-14 14:19 ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-14 14:53 ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-14 15:55 ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-15 15:21 ` Gautier
2001-06-15 15:36 ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-18 16:26 ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-14 15:30 ` Ed Jensen
2001-06-14 16:11 ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-14 17:32 ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-14 17:55 ` Charles Hixson
2001-06-14 20:10 ` Roedy Green
2001-06-16 23:48 ` Larry Elmore
2001-06-14 20:09 ` Roedy Green
2001-06-14 21:43 ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-16 2:41 ` Roedy Green
2001-06-16 23:08 ` Joseph T. Adams
2001-06-18 14:23 ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-15 3:44 ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-06-18 16:53 ` Wes Groleau
2001-08-07 1:08 ` The Ghost In The Machine
2001-08-07 2:38 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-08-13 14:14 ` The Ghost In The Machine
2001-06-15 6:59 ` Joseph T. Adams
2001-06-15 15:43 ` Ed Jensen
2001-06-16 2:45 ` Roedy Green
2001-06-16 2:45 ` Roedy Green
2001-06-16 14:25 ` James A. Robertson
2001-06-16 17:48 ` Roedy Green
2001-06-16 19:16 ` James A. Robertson
2001-06-18 14:49 ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-18 15:46 ` Al Christians
2001-06-18 16:16 ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-18 17:09 ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-18 18:02 ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-18 18:04 ` Al Christians
2001-06-18 20:06 ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-18 21:43 ` tmoran
2001-06-18 21:29 ` Charles Hixson
2001-06-18 22:23 ` Al Christians
2001-06-20 15:49 ` Charles Hixson
2001-06-19 12:18 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-16 22:30 ` Florian Weimer
2001-06-14 17:56 ` David Chase
2001-06-16 14:22 ` James A. Robertson
2001-06-16 23:23 ` Al Christians
2001-06-17 1:38 ` tmoran
2001-06-18 13:59 ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-18 13:49 ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-19 12:09 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-19 14:23 ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-20 4:33 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-20 15:55 ` Charles Hixson
2001-06-20 16:55 ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-20 23:55 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-20 18:38 ` Roedy Green
[not found] ` <tM4W6.14397$Dd5.34 <3B28FAD5.5FFB643F@world.std.com>
2001-06-17 2:38 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-13 22:42 ` tmoran
2001-06-13 22:44 ` Larry Elmore
2001-06-14 16:57 ` Charles Hixson
2001-06-14 13:09 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-14 14:28 ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-14 20:25 ` Roedy Green
2001-06-17 2:43 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-13 22:02 ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-21 1:41 ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-21 1:38 ` Larry Kilgallen
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2001-06-21 14:20 ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-24 22:31 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-25 0:01 ` Ken Garlington
2001-06-25 12:50 ` Ken Garlington
2001-06-26 11:52 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-27 9:41 ` Gary Labowitz
2001-06-27 21:09 ` Roedy Green
2001-06-28 0:31 ` tmoran
2001-06-28 11:45 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-25 8:09 ` Gary Labowitz
2001-06-25 14:13 ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-25 15:35 ` David C. Hoos
2001-06-25 16:50 ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-25 17:08 ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-25 21:32 ` Al Christians
2001-07-02 4:49 ` David Thompson
2001-06-26 12:02 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-26 12:48 ` David C. Hoos
2001-06-26 14:08 ` Al Christians
2001-06-26 15:00 ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-26 15:41 ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-27 3:33 ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-06-27 13:31 ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-26 17:39 ` tmoran
2001-06-26 16:26 ` Roedy Green
2001-06-28 11:50 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-28 21:32 ` Roedy Green
2001-06-28 12:20 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-01 0:50 ` Lao Xiao Hai
2001-07-02 11:41 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-03 6:43 ` Lao Xiao Hai
2001-07-04 14:40 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-04 21:00 ` Phil Robyn
2001-07-05 11:12 ` Gary Labowitz
2001-07-05 17:00 ` Phil Robyn
2001-07-05 11:10 ` Gary Labowitz
2001-07-05 13:27 ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-06 2:47 ` Ken Garlington
2001-07-06 23:24 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-07 17:45 ` Ken Garlington
2001-07-08 2:54 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
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2001-07-16 0:56 ` Ken Garlington
2001-07-16 12:03 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-16 17:37 ` Ken Garlington
2001-07-17 0:18 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-20 15:48 ` Ken Garlington
2001-07-22 15:37 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-23 2:44 ` Ken Garlington
2001-07-23 10:09 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-06 23:15 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-06 23:11 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
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