From: "John R. Strohm" <strohm@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: advantages or disadvantages of ADA over pascal or modula
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 17:26:01 -0600
Date: 2003-01-19T17:26:01-06:00 [thread overview]
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In-Reply-To: b0ekls$ktt$1@slb5.atl.mindspring.net
That was PRECISELY what Rational did with the R1000, back in the mid-1980s.
I really wish I had taken the time to research the business case, and do a
proper chart pitch on it, with supporting data in detail. I sketched it out
on the back of some piece of paper or another, but I never got around to
fleshing it out.
The numbers Rational was disseminating, which were backed up by other
organizations who gave the product an honest try, were just-plain
phenomenal. As in "you don't have to build a new building to house the next
project" phenomenal.
I think I could have made the case JUST on parking lot costs at GD/FW.
"Marin David Condic" <mcondic.auntie.spam@acm.org> wrote in message
news:b0ekls$ktt$1@slb5.atl.mindspring.net...
> Absolutely! Yeah, verrily! And Amen!
>
> Engineers tend to think that the object of the game is to use really
> advanced tools to build really cool stuff. Bzzzzzttt! Wrong Answer! The
> object of the game is to MAKE MONEY and the sooner Ada can start showing
> people how it MAKES MONEY, the sooner it will start finding acceptance
> against all of the objections of the anti-Ada software developers that
don't
> want to use it. If the industry that manufactures blivets uses
predominantly
> C and someone starts a business to make blivets and uses Ada and starts
> coming out with better, less expensive blivets that show up earlier to
> market, you'll see Ada catch on in the blivet industry like wildfire.
>
> Unfortunately, I suspect that Ada would be only one small factor in
> improving the overall performance of most industries. Hence, the
management
> view of "A language is a language is a language..." Other factors can
easily
> outweigh whatever advantages Ada has over its competitors. That's why I
> think its important for Ada to evolve a whole toolset to improve
> productivity for some segment of the commercial world - to add more
leverage
> than the language alone can produce.
>
> MDC
> --
> ======================================================================
> Marin David Condic
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> "I'd trade it all for just a little more"
> -- Charles Montgomery Burns, [4F10]
> ======================================================================
>
> John R. Strohm <strohm@airmail.net> wrote in message
> news:DFEB74B72ECC1424.38F3492A4FC37FE2.7686CDC7A4899242@lp.airnews.net...
> >
> > You have to learn their language.
> >
> > Let me give you an example. A whole bunch of companies spent a lot of
> money
> > on Expert Systems work in the 1980s because of a couple of huge success
> > stories. Digital Equipment Corporation did the VAX configurator, that
> saved
> > them a huge boatload of money. BBN did a geology expert system that
found
> a
> > monster ore deposit that humans had overlooked. When you show a
> beancounter
> > that you can make him REAL MONEY using technology, he'll listen.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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2003-01-03 15:57 advantages or disadvantages of ADA over pascal or modula karl bowl
2003-01-04 2:36 ` Adrian Knoth
2003-01-04 23:12 ` Robert C. Leif
2003-01-05 2:56 ` Ted Dennison
2003-01-05 3:54 ` John R. Strohm
2003-01-06 5:55 ` AG
2003-01-05 9:38 ` John R. Strohm
2003-01-06 1:37 ` advantages or disadvantages of ADA over pascal or modula or oberon was " Robert C. Leif
2003-01-04 2:56 ` Steve
2003-01-04 11:34 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-04 17:35 ` Steve
2003-01-04 22:16 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-01-05 14:12 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-04 12:17 ` Gautier
2003-01-04 17:12 ` Alfred Hilscher
2003-01-04 18:16 ` Ted Dennison
2003-01-05 11:47 ` karl bowl
2003-01-05 18:53 ` Alfred Hilscher
2003-01-05 20:38 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-01-05 21:03 ` Alfred Hilscher
2003-01-05 21:20 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-01-05 21:31 ` Alfred Hilscher
2003-01-05 21:47 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-01-06 14:43 ` Gautier
2003-01-06 16:21 ` Alfred Hilscher
2003-01-05 22:57 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-01-06 21:57 ` karl bowl
2003-01-18 14:14 ` Alfred Hilscher
2003-01-18 15:26 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-01-19 18:10 ` Alfred Hilscher
2003-01-19 23:42 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-01-21 19:16 ` Robert A Duff
2003-01-18 21:39 ` John R. Strohm
2003-01-18 21:56 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-01-18 23:08 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-01-18 23:16 ` John R. Strohm
2003-01-19 3:36 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-19 4:47 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-01-19 5:47 ` John R. Strohm
2003-01-19 5:50 ` Steve
2003-01-19 4:47 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-01-19 5:51 ` John R. Strohm
2003-01-19 12:51 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-19 16:43 ` Marin David Condic
2003-01-19 23:26 ` John R. Strohm [this message]
2003-01-21 13:45 ` Marin David Condic
2003-01-19 6:10 ` Kevin Cline
2003-01-19 18:03 ` Bernd Specht
2003-01-19 16:31 ` Marin David Condic
2003-01-19 12:17 ` Engineers Pay Alan and Carmel Brain
2003-01-21 7:12 ` Kevin Cline
2003-01-21 9:14 ` John R. Strohm
[not found] ` <hub1g-vu3.ln1@beastie.ix.netcom.com>
2003-01-22 4:11 ` John R. Strohm
2003-01-22 17:56 ` John R. Strohm
2003-01-19 16:19 ` advantages or disadvantages of ADA over pascal or modula Marin David Condic
2003-01-19 19:08 ` Robert C. Leif
2003-01-19 20:26 ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-01-20 8:22 ` Tor Fredrik Aas
2003-01-21 14:00 ` Marin David Condic
2003-01-19 18:22 ` Alfred Hilscher
2003-01-20 10:35 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-01-20 21:12 ` John R. Strohm
2003-01-20 15:56 ` karl bowl
2003-01-20 17:39 ` Jerry Petrey
2003-01-20 22:47 ` Alfred Hilscher
2003-01-21 14:55 ` Stephen Leake
2003-01-21 21:55 ` Alfred Hilscher
2003-01-23 17:06 ` Stephen Leake
2003-01-27 4:25 ` AG
2003-01-26 17:11 ` Alfred Hilscher
2003-01-21 17:23 ` karl bowl
2003-01-21 21:47 ` Alfred Hilscher
2003-01-05 12:42 ` Gautier
2003-01-05 18:58 ` Alfred Hilscher
2003-01-05 22:28 ` tmoran
2003-01-06 20:33 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-01-07 14:47 ` Alfred Hilscher
2003-01-07 18:56 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-01-08 9:43 ` Alfred Hilscher
[not found] ` <mji5va.994.ln@beastie.ix.netcom.com>
2003-01-04 22:16 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-01-07 18:14 ` Martin Klaiber
2003-01-08 9:01 ` Gautier
2003-01-08 11:13 ` Martin Klaiber
2003-01-08 17:25 ` Gautier
2003-01-08 17:52 ` Martin Klaiber
2003-01-10 3:07 ` Richard Riehle
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