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From: emery@Dr_No.mitre.org (David Emery)
Subject: Re: c++ vs ada results
Date: 24 Jun 91 10:06:03	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <EMERY.91Jun24100603@Dr_No.mitre.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: andrewd@chook.adelaide.edu.au's message of 24 Jun 91 02:29:42 GMT

Ada makes the _Expression_ of a library design easier (packages are
such a nice mechanism for combining related things), but the
_Intellectual_ work of deciding what to include, what to exclude, how
to represent it, etc, is a (language-independent) hard problem.  It
takes a lot of experience and thought to get it right.

For instance, it's taken us 4 years of hard work to specify the IEEE
standard Ada Binding to POSIX (a very well constrained problem).  Much
of that time has been spent in "iterative prototyping" mode, where we
develop a proposal, and then analyze it from the perspective of the
various users, in an attempt to see if the semantics of the interface
are correct.  

One thing that we all knew, but our POSIX/Ada experience reinforced,
is that there's no substitute for practical experience when designing
interfaces.  You really have to have a good idea of how software is
written and how software goes together in order to write a good
interface/binding definition.  And, as we have also observed, once you
get the interface right, the implementation is _MUCH_ easier (often
it's simple).  

				dave

  reply	other threads:[~1991-06-24 10:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1991-06-12 16:47 c++ vs ada results alan dare
1991-06-12 19:15 ` Paul Martz
1991-06-12 20:17 ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-13 20:49   ` Paul Kohlmiller
1991-06-13 23:12     ` Bruce Jones
1991-06-14 17:56   ` GNU c++ bashing (was Re: c++ vs ada results) Eli Brandt
1991-06-16  2:48   ` c++ vs ada results Russ Nelson
1991-06-16  4:10   ` Sean Eric Fagan
1991-06-18  4:17     ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-18  8:33       ` Sean Eric Fagan
1991-06-18 21:53         ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-18 12:28       ` Mats Henricson
1991-06-18 22:06         ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-19 15:07           ` Dan Weinreb
1991-06-19 17:00           ` Doug Smith
1991-06-20 14:08             ` Steve Juneau
1991-06-20 19:56               ` Robert I. Eachus
1991-06-21 17:27                 ` David M Geary
1991-06-20 22:09               ` Paul Stachour
1991-06-21 17:03                 ` David M Geary
1991-06-23  3:14                   ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-26 22:13                 ` Dan Weinreb
1991-06-21 22:01               ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-20 14:35             ` chief programmer team organizations was (c++ vs ada results) Alex Blakemore
1991-06-21 12:40               ` chief programmer team organizations was (c++ vs ada results)H house ron
1991-06-21 15:47                 ` chief programmer team organizations Joseph Beckenbach {Adapter Software Release Engr}
1991-06-21 22:25                 ` chief programmer team organizations was (c++ vs ada results)H Jim Showalter
1991-06-26 22:18                   ` Dan Weinreb
1991-06-21 22:04               ` chief programmer team organizations was (c++ vs ada results) Lars P. Fischer
1991-06-23  3:17                 ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-24 13:23                 ` Jim Hargrove
1991-06-21 22:21               ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-22  2:14               ` John Nagle
1991-06-23  3:23                 ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-23 13:21                   ` David Feustel
1991-06-23 18:54                     ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-27 15:30                     ` Dan Weinreb
1991-06-24  4:00                   ` Marco S Hyman
1991-06-24 20:23                     ` Stanley Friesen
1991-06-26  0:37                       ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-24 20:29                     ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-24 18:29                   ` John Nagle
1991-06-25 18:38                     ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-25 19:30                       ` Christopher Warack
1991-06-25 20:06                     ` chief programmer team organizations John Baldwin
1991-06-24  9:36                 ` chief programmer team organizations was (c++ vs ada results) George C. Harrison, Norfolk State University
1991-06-25 13:42                   ` Harry Erwin
1991-06-26 16:15                 ` Bob Martin
1991-06-19 18:36           ` c++ vs ada results Jim Showalter
1991-06-19 15:01         ` Dan Weinreb
1991-06-24  2:29         ` Andrew Dunstan
1991-06-24 10:06           ` David Emery [this message]
1991-06-24 13:16           ` Mats Henricson
1991-06-25  4:29           ` Tom McClory
1991-06-26  0:35             ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-26  1:26             ` Andrew Dunstan
1991-06-26 22:47               ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-27 15:47                 ` Alex Blakemore
1991-06-27 23:58                   ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-25 19:27           ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-23 23:59       ` CBW Consulting
1991-06-24 20:11         ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-12 21:27 ` Dan L. Pierson
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1991-06-20 16:24 Chuck Shotton
1991-06-22  3:24 ` Thomas M. Breuel
     [not found] <164741@<1991Jun12>
1991-06-20 17:58 ` ryer
1991-06-24 14:44 ` ryer
1991-06-27 12:34 Chuck Shotton
1991-06-27 18:24 Ray Diederich, 301-294-8400
1991-07-01  5:15 Andrew Dunstan
1991-08-13 14:29 cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!cs.utexas.e
1991-08-13 22:08 David Emery
1991-08-14  5:03 Mike Feldman
1991-08-14 14:41 Fred Stluka
1991-08-14 18:25 Doug Smith
1991-08-14 18:40 cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!
1991-08-14 19:15 Doug Smith
1991-08-14 20:15 Jim Showalter
1991-08-15 13:30 Paul Baker - CTA
1991-08-15 15:40 Andy Davidson
1991-08-16 17:56 Doug Smith
1991-08-29 16:54 David Emery
1991-08-30  7:24 Ma ts Henricson
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