From: doylep@ecf.toronto.edu (Patrick Doyle)
Subject: Re: Interface/Implementation (was Re: Design by Contract)
Date: 1997/09/13
Date: 1997-09-13T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <EGGM4p.BGs@ecf.toronto.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: dewar.874081443@merv
In article <dewar.874081443@merv>, Robert Dewar <dewar@merv.cs.nyu.edu> wrote:
>Patrick says
>
><<This seems to further diminish the value of dependency-ordered declarations.
>
>Then we must ask, if everyone puts all the declarations at the top anyway,
>why not let the computer do it for us?>>
>
>
>I find this question a bit amazing. Normally I would not expect anyone
>who is sufficiently familiar with the separation of spec and implementation
>to ask it.
It seems these subtle personal comments are getting more and more
common, especially in this thread. Can't we just stick to the issues
without expressing our amazement at others' lack of experience?
>Of course the computer can derive the bare bones details about a spec, e.g.
>the syntax of the subprogram declaration, from the body, but it most
>certainly cannot derive automatically appropriate high level comments that
>provide the necessary information for a client to use the subprogram.
The comments in Eiffel are written in such a way that the tools can
extract the interface comments automatically.
>Certainly no Ada programmer would ever ask this question
Objection! Hearsay!
>the idea of
>deriving specifications automatically from implementations is fundamentally
>upside-down!
I'm not suggesting that we *derive* one from the other, just that we can
write them together, and *extract* one from the other. I agree that
the former is backward.
-PD
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Patrick Doyle
doylep@ecf.utoronto.ca
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1997-08-28 0:00 ` Interface/Implementation (was Re: Design by Contract) Tucker Taft
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
[not found] ` <EFqDC8.342@ecf.toronto.edu>
1997-09-02 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-09-03 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
1997-09-03 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-03 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
[not found] ` <EFyrH2.7z2@syd.csa.com.au>
1997-09-04 0:00 ` Joerg Rodemann
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Don Harrison
[not found] ` <340fdb9f.0@news.uni-ulm.de>
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-04 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-05 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-05 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-09-10 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Code ordering Steve Furlong
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Interface/Implementation (was Re: Design by Contract) Robert Dewar
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-09-10 0:00 ` One pass compilation? W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Interface/Implementation (was Re: Design by Contract) Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-08 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-08 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Matt Kennel (Remove 'NOSPAM' to reply)
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-09-07 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-07 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Samuel T. Harris
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-09-13 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1997-09-17 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-18 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-18 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-18 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-09-20 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-17 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-13 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle [this message]
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Lee Webber
1997-09-15 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Frederic Guerin
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-08 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-09-09 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
[not found] ` <dewar.873826570@merv>
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-07 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-08 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-09 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-17 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-04 0:00 ` Erik Ernst
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-01 0:00 ` Matt Kennel (Remove 'NOSPAM' to reply)
1997-09-02 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-09-03 0:00 ` Matt Kennel (Remove 'NOSPAM' to reply)
1997-09-15 0:00 Marc Wachowitz
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Owen Fellows
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1997-09-12 0:00 Marc Wachowitz
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Samuel T. Harris
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-15 0:00 ` Samuel T. Harris
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-09 0:00 Marc Wachowitz
1997-09-15 0:00 ` Owen Fellows
1997-10-13 0:00 ` Bill Foote
1997-09-06 0:00 Ell
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
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1997-09-01 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-02 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-08-07 0:00 Safety-critical development in Ada and Eiffel Ken Garlington
1997-08-12 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-08-25 0:00 ` Design by Contract Bertrand Meyer
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1997-08-26 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
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[not found] ` <dewar.872631036@merv>
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[not found] ` <34041331.0@news.uni-ulm.de>
[not found] ` <3404696D.4487EB71@eiffel.com>
1997-08-27 0:00 ` Interface/Implementation (was Re: Design by Contract) Bertrand Meyer
[not found] ` <34048FDC.13728473@eiffel.com>
1997-08-27 0:00 ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-08-28 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
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1997-08-30 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-02 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-02 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-03 0:00 ` Don Harrison
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1997-09-04 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-09-04 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-05 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-08 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-08 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Robert S. White
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
1997-09-14 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Matt Kennel (Remove 'NOSPAM' to reply)
1997-09-10 0:00 ` John Viega
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Matt Kennel (Remove 'NOSPAM' to reply)
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Franck Arnaud
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-04 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-09 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Joerg Rodemann
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Joerg Rodemann
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Matt Austern
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-13 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Robert S. White
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-13 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-13 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1997-08-28 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
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1997-08-29 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-30 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-08-30 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-01 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Suzanne Zampella
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
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1997-09-07 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
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1997-08-29 0:00 ` Joerg Rodemann
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