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From: pmontgom@cwi.nl (Peter L. Montgomery)
Subject: Re: floating point comparison
Date: 1997/08/02
Date: 1997-08-02T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <EE9HBx.H9G@cwi.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 33E261F7.2EFB@mailgw.sanders.lockheed.com


In article <33E261F7.2EFB@mailgw.sanders.lockheed.com> 
user <user@mailgw.sanders.lockheed.com> writes:
>Bob Binder wrote:

>> I haven't followed the IEEE fp standard, but I can't imagine how
>> (without resorting to some kind of BCD representation) any floating
>> point scheme using a non-decimal radix gets around the fundamental fact
>> that there are non-terminal fractions in this radix which are not
>> non-terminal in a decimal radix.
 
>> Try this:
 
>> x, y float;
 
>> x = 1.0;
>> y = (x/10.0)*10.0;
>> if x == y {
>>         // not likely }
>> else {
>>         // more likely
>> };
>Although I am reading this in comp.lang.ada, the suggestion to try a
>simple example like this in C piqued my interest.
>
>On a Sun SPARC-5, with the built in compiler supplied by Sun, this
>code (fixed for syntax) found (x == y) to be true.  Using 3.0 and
>7.0 (neither of which have any chance of yielding an exact
>representation
>after the division) also found (x == y) to be true.
   

     You lucked out due to IEEE rounding to nearest.
Each nonzero floating point value is approximated by +- 1 times
an integer mantissa M in [2^52, 2^53) times a power 2^e, 
where e is an integer.
     
     When approximating 1/10 = 2^(-56) * (2^56/10),
we want M to be the integer nearest to 2^56/10.  
This is (2^56 + 4)/10.  The computed value of 1.0/10.0
becomes ((2^56 + 4)/10) * 2^(-56).

     Now multiply back by 10.0.  The exact product
would be (2^56 + 4)*2^(-56), but the mantissa
is required to be in [2^52, 2^53).  The result is scaled
to (2^52 + 0.25)*2^(-52).  Now a rounding gives
2^52 * 2^(-52), or 1.0.  The final result happens to
match the original x, even though intermediate results were inexact.

    On the other hand, try (1.0/49.0)*49.0.
The quotient 1/49 is approximated by ((2^58 - 23)/49) * 2^(-58).
Now multiply back by 49.  The normalized mantissa
2^53 - 23/32 rounds to 2^53 - 1, and the product
is approximated by (2^53 - 1)*2^(-53).

[Yes, I ignored denormals and other special operands above.]
-- 
        Peter L. Montgomery    pmontgom@cwi.nl    San Rafael, California

A mathematician whose age has doubled since he last drove an automobile.





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Thread overview: 105+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1997-07-29  0:00 floating point comparison Matthew Heaney
1997-07-30  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-30  0:00   ` Matthew Heaney
1997-07-31  0:00     ` Jim Carr
1997-07-30  0:00   ` Matthew Heaney
1997-07-31  0:00     ` Samuel Mize
1997-07-31  0:00     ` Bob Binder  (remove .mapson to email)
1997-07-31  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-01  0:00         ` Dale Stanbrough
1997-08-04  0:00         ` Paul Eggert
1997-08-06  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-14  0:00             ` Paul Eggert
1997-08-01  0:00       ` user
1997-08-02  0:00         ` Peter L. Montgomery [this message]
1997-08-04  0:00           ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-08-05  0:00             ` Bob Binder  (remove .mapson to email)
1997-08-02  0:00         ` Lynn Killingbeck
1997-08-03  0:00           ` Bob Binder  (remove .mapson to email)
1997-08-03  0:00             ` Charles R. Lyttle
1997-08-03  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-31  0:00     ` Martin Tom Brown
1997-07-31  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-02  0:00     ` Lynn Killingbeck
1997-07-31  0:00   ` Gerald Kasner
1997-07-31  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-30  0:00 ` Jan Galkowski
1997-07-31  0:00   ` Don Taylor
1997-07-31  0:00     ` Russ Lyttle
1997-08-01  0:00       ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-08-02  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-02  0:00           ` Matthew Heaney
1997-08-03  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-04  0:00           ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-08-05  0:00             ` Jan-Christoph Puchta
1997-08-05  0:00               ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-08-05  0:00                 ` Samuel Mize
1997-08-06  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-07  0:00                   ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-08-08  0:00                     ` Peter Shenkin
1997-08-09  0:00                       ` Albert Y.C. Lai
1997-08-06  0:00                 ` Chris L. Kuszmaul
1997-08-07  0:00                   ` Dave Sparks
1997-08-08  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-08  0:00                     ` Jan-Christoph Puchta
1997-08-09  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-10  0:00                       ` Lynn Killingbeck
1997-08-08  0:00                     ` Mark Eichin
     [not found]                   ` <5sbb90$qsc@redtail.cruzio.com>
     [not found]                     ` <5scugs$jdc$1@cnn.nas.nasa.gov>
1997-08-07  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-08  0:00                     ` Gerhard Heinzel
1997-08-08  0:00                       ` schlafly
1997-08-08  0:00                       ` Daniel Villeneuve
1997-08-09  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-09  0:00                         ` David Ullrich
1997-08-10  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-16  0:00                             ` Andrew V. Nesterov
1997-08-18  0:00                               ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-19  0:00                                 ` Hans Olsson
1997-08-19  0:00                                 ` Jim Carr
1997-08-21  0:00                                   ` Christian Bau
1997-08-21  0:00                                     ` Jim Carr
1997-08-21  0:00                                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-22  0:00                                         ` Jim Carr
1997-08-22  0:00                                           ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-23  0:00                                             ` Jim Carr
1997-08-24  0:00                                               ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]                                                 ` <5u4eq6$30b$1@news.lth.se>
1997-08-29  0:00                                                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-01  0:00                                                     ` Chris RL Morgan
1997-08-29  0:00                                                 ` Andrew V. Nesterov
1997-08-29  0:00                                                   ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]                                                     ` <340DF1DD.2736@iop.com>
1997-09-07  0:00                                                       ` Get_Immediate Robert Dewar
1997-09-07  0:00                                                       ` Get_Immediate Robert Dewar
1997-09-08  0:00                                                       ` Get_Immediate J Giffen
1997-09-01  0:00                                                 ` floating point comparison Jim Carr
     [not found]                                                   ` <checkerEFx6xI.FCM@netcom.com>
1997-09-03  0:00                                                     ` Chris L. Kuszmaul
1997-09-05  0:00                                                       ` Malome Khomo
1997-09-07  0:00                                                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-05  0:00                                                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-10  0:00                                                     ` Jim Carr
1997-09-12  0:00                                                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-15  0:00                                                         ` James Pauley
1997-09-16  0:00                                                           ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-23  0:00                                         ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-08-23  0:00                                           ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-30  0:00                                 ` Paul Eggert
1997-08-06  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]               ` <33E8E3E1.17EA@pseserv3.fw.hac.com>
     [not found]                 ` <5sbgpk$q0n$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au>
1997-08-07  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]                     ` <33FE4603.1B6B@pseserv3.fw.hac.com>
1997-08-23  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-08  0:00                   ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-08-06  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-07  0:00               ` Dr. Rex A. Dwyer
     [not found]               ` <33E8DFF6.6F44@pseserv3.fw.hac.com>
1997-08-07  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]                 ` <33EA1251.3466@link.com>
     [not found]                   ` <33EA46CC.226@pseserv3.fw.hac.com>
1997-08-08  0:00                     ` Christian Bau
1997-08-12  0:00                     ` Martin Tom Brown
1997-08-23  0:00                       ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-08-23  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-05  0:00                         ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-09-06  0:00                           ` schlafly
1997-09-09  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-07  0:00                           ` M. J. Saltzman
1997-09-11  0:00                           ` Robin Rosenberg
1997-08-07  0:00             ` Do-While Jones
1997-08-03  0:00         ` Brian Rogoff
1997-08-03  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-02  0:00 ` Michael Sierchio
1997-08-08  0:00 ` floating point conversions Mark Lusti
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