From: donh@syd.csa.com.au (Don Harrison)
Subject: Re: Eiffel anyone? - Who uses it?
Date: 1997/07/21
Date: 1997-07-21T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <EDnB7w.IGn@syd.csa.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: mheaney-ya023680001707970029500001@news.ni.net
Matt Heaney wrote:
:>He's asked me for my opinion, and I'd have to say that I somewhat
:>agree. I've never met an Eiffel programer, and don't see a lot of
:>ads for them in the classifieds. Note: I'm not debating whether or
:>not Eiffel is a good language; that's not the concern. The concern
:>is whether or not the job market will see this as having been time
:>well spent.
:>
:>So, what's the (reality based) counter argument?
:
:Your friend's son doesn't know what he is talking about.
:
:I, a proud Ada programmer, fully endorse teaching Eiffel as a first
:language as A Good Thing.
:
:For a cogent discussion of this issue, read Teaching the Method, chapter 29
:of Object-Oriented Software Construction (2nd ed), by Bertrand Meyer.
:
:The argument that the Eiffel has no "real-life value on the job market" is
:completely specious. You go to college to LEARN HOW TO THINK, not to learn
:programming language syntax. If you want that, why now just save all your
:money and go to a trade school? Or just pick up a programming book at the
:corner bookstore? Hey, Learn C in 14 Days!
:
:If it were that simple, everybody would be doing it.
:
:Try to convince this person to read Meyer's book. Guys that just want to
:learn a "real" programming language, or would rather spend their time
:programming instead of engineering, shouldn't be programming at all.
Well said!
Don.
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1997-07-11 0:00 Eiffel anyone? - Who uses it? ivory
1997-07-11 0:00 ` Mike Stark
1997-07-11 0:00 ` Michael Schuerig
1997-07-11 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-07-11 0:00 ` Richie Bielak
1997-07-14 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-11 0:00 ` Tom M. Chen
1997-07-11 0:00 ` robinsaj
1997-07-12 0:00 ` Ian Nelson
[not found] ` <33CA5E3D.475B@edwardjones.com>
1997-07-14 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
[not found] ` <33CB8E75.7CB1@edwardjones.com>
1997-07-16 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-16 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
1997-07-18 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-25 0:00 ` Jan Bielawski
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Walt Howard
1997-07-18 0:00 ` Technical Professionals and the humnaities ( Was: Re: Eiffel anyone? - Who uses it?) Chris Kuan
1997-07-18 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
1997-07-20 0:00 ` Thaddeus L. Olczyk
1997-07-22 0:00 ` Joseph M. Saur
[not found] ` <33CF6C0E.4983@edwardjones.com>
1997-07-18 0:00 ` Eiffel anyone? - Who uses it? Walt Howard
1997-07-18 0:00 ` Henrik Wist
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Don Harrison [this message]
[not found] ` <01bc94e6$9ced0820$287b7b7a@tlo2>
1997-07-19 0:00 ` Frieder Monninger
1997-07-22 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-07-30 0:00 ` Glenn Williamson
1997-07-30 0:00 ` Brian Kimball
1997-07-31 0:00 ` Why I didn't like Eiffel Glenn Williamson
1997-08-02 0:00 ` Ian Nelson
1997-07-30 0:00 ` Eiffel anyone? - Who uses it? Brian Rogoff
1997-07-30 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-01 0:00 ` I use Eiffel! and other "strange tongues"! Jakob Engblom
1997-08-02 0:00 ` Walt Howard
1997-08-02 0:00 ` Ian Nelson
1997-08-02 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-03 0:00 ` Matt Kennel (Remove 'NOSPAM' to reply)
1997-08-03 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-07 0:00 ` Andrew Semprebon
1997-08-08 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-08-08 0:00 ` Walt Howard
1997-08-11 0:00 ` Jeff Brown
1997-08-13 0:00 ` quadrafeline
1997-08-09 0:00 ` Adam Beneschan
1997-08-04 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
[not found] ` <dewar.870872376@merv>
1997-08-09 0:00 ` Heribert Slama
[not found] ` <5s8bsh$mo0@alumni.rpi.edu>
1997-08-06 0:00 ` C/C++ is the best teaching language??!? HARRY R. ERWIN
1997-08-08 0:00 ` Tom Valesky
1997-08-02 0:00 ` Eiffel anyone? - Who uses it? Sean Case
1997-08-02 0:00 ` Nick Payne
1997-08-02 0:00 ` Walt Howard
1997-07-31 0:00 ` Don Harrison
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