From: eachus@spectre.mitre.org (Robert I. Eachus)
Subject: Re: Not intended for use in medical,
Date: 1997/05/09
Date: 1997-05-09T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <EACHUS.97May9175402@spectre.mitre.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: E9vH6G.88E@world.std.com
In article <E9vH6G.88E@world.std.com> bobduff@world.std.com (Robert A Duff) writes:
> Instead of ++, I would be just as happy with:
> Increment(Average_Daily_Rate_Of_Pay);
So use it. This is perfectly legal Ada, and I have a package
kicking around somewhere with those "additional" operations which are
procedures.
> But my point was that the side-effect issue is more important than this
> lexical stuff. I would object to:
> Nice_Long_Array_Name[Increment(Nice_Long_Integer_Name)] := ...;
> on the same basis (where this (evil) Increment both modifies its
> argument, and returns a result). I realize I'm mixing Ada and C
> notation there.
Which is why it didn't get added to Ada 95, in spite of Robert
Dewar's arguments in favor. The few cases where you do want functions
with side-effects (random number generators being the prime example)
can be written in Ada with a bit of extra work in the private part.
> Perhaps. Who knows? I think it's mainly a cultural thing --
> everybody does it that way, so new programmers learn to do it that
> way.
No, it is cultural, but the language syntax does seem to have a very
strong influence on the culture. One reason I believe that Algol 68
never succeeded was that the cultural imperitives implicit in the
notation were in conflict. I once thought that translating the
reserved* words into German, Dutch, or Czeck would have made people
mcuh more comfortable with it.
*Yes, in the standard they are not techically reserved, but did
anyone have an implementation where they weren't?
--
Robert I. Eachus
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1997-04-23 0:00 Not intended for use in medical, Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
1997-04-24 0:00 ` J. Florio
1997-04-25 0:00 ` Kevin Cline
1997-04-25 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-25 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-04-28 0:00 ` John Apa
1997-04-28 0:00 ` John M. Mills
1997-04-30 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1997-05-02 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1997-04-28 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-29 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-04-30 0:00 ` John Apa
[not found] ` <3367CE1E.5ED1@die_spammer.dasd.honeywell.com>
1997-05-01 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-03 0:00 ` Simon Wright
1997-05-04 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-05-04 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-04 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-04 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-04 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-05-05 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-06 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-06 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-05-07 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-08 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-05-07 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-08 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-05-10 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-10 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-05-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-11 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-05-11 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-05-12 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-12 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-05-11 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-05-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-12 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-05-12 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-05-12 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-17 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
[not found] ` <dewar.863877808@merv>
1997-05-17 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-17 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-21 0:00 ` Syntax for tagged record types (was Re: Not intended for use in medical,) Ben Brosgol
1997-05-20 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-21 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-21 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-22 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-25 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-28 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-23 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-23 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-25 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-28 0:00 ` Syntax for tagged record types (was Re David Kristola
1997-05-23 0:00 ` Syntax for tagged record types (was Re: Not intended for use in medical,) Simon Wright
1997-05-21 0:00 ` Syntax for tagged record types and class types Mats Weber
1997-05-21 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-22 0:00 ` Mats Weber
1997-05-27 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1997-05-30 0:00 ` Mats.Weber
1997-05-22 0:00 ` Samuel A. Mize
1997-05-22 0:00 ` Samuel A. Mize
1997-05-23 0:00 ` Mats Weber
[not found] ` <mheaney-ya023680002005972314260001@news.ni.net <mheaney-ya023680002105972302430001@news.ni.net>
1997-05-22 0:00 ` Syntax for tagged record types (was Re: Not intended for use in medical,) Robert A Duff
1997-05-22 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-05-23 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-23 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-23 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-23 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-25 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-25 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-27 0:00 ` Ray Blaak
1997-05-23 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-05-24 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-05-24 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-28 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-25 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-12 0:00 ` Language Design Mistakes (was "not intended...") W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
1997-05-13 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-13 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-05-14 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-13 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
1997-05-08 0:00 ` Not intended for use in medical, Robert A Duff
1997-05-09 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus [this message]
1997-05-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-11 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-12 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-12 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-13 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-13 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-14 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-14 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-14 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-14 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1997-05-14 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-15 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
1997-05-12 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-13 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-14 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1997-05-14 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
[not found] ` <01bc6182$30e3a7c0$LocalHost@xhv46.dial.pipex.com>
1997-05-16 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-05-16 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-18 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1997-05-18 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-19 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-05-19 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-19 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-20 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1997-05-20 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-21 0:00 ` Dale Stanbrough
1997-05-16 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-08 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-08 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-09 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-12 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
1997-05-12 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-05-14 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1997-05-14 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-14 0:00 ` Jeff Carter
[not found] ` <dewar.863632434@merv>
1997-05-15 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-18 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-15 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
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1997-04-25 0:00 Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
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1997-05-14 0:00 tmoran
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