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From: eachus@spectre.mitre.org (Robert I. Eachus)
Subject: Re: Language Efficiency
Date: 1995/04/21
Date: 1995-04-21T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <EACHUS.95Apr21095003@spectre.mitre.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3lrrqk$kbj@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu

In article <MATT.95Apr20113010@physics10.berkeley.edu> matt@physics10.berkeley.edu (Matt Austern) writes:

  > If certain optimizations are possible in principle in two different
  > languages, but if they are vastly more difficult in one language than
  > in the other, then it is both correct and misleading to say that
  > efficiency differences between the two languages are purely issues of
  > implementation.

    I have worked on two different compilers which adopted the same
approach to optimization and gotos.  Normal compilation assumed that
there were no gotos in scope.  If a goto was encountered, a switch was
set and compillation restarted from the beginning.  An elegent
technique for languages where gotos are rare in practice but legal.
(The compilers mentioned above were for Pascal and Ada, and developed
by different companies.)

    In addition I know of at least one Ada compiler which lays out a
record during processing of the declaration, and if it later
encounters rep clauses, it just repeats the work from scratch.

    So, yes, in practice many compilers do ignore language features
which make compilation or optimization more difficult, and have a
completely different mode or routine when those features are
encountered.  With the Pascal compiler mentioned above, since it
supported multiple compilation units, it was a "known rule" that you
should put any gotos in the smallest possible compilation.  An awful
lot of optimization got turned off.  The Ada compiler was much better
behaved, about the only thing affected was spilling of register
variables.

--

					Robert I. Eachus

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  parent reply	other threads:[~1995-04-21  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1995-04-02  0:00 Language Efficiency Robert C. Bethel
1995-04-04  0:00 ` Harold P Zbiegien
1995-04-04  0:00   ` Kennel
1995-04-05  0:00     ` Ray Toal
1995-04-07  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-19  0:00       ` Fergus Henderson
1995-04-19  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-20  0:00           ` Kennel
1995-04-19  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]       ` <3m9o9q$igf@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov>
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     [not found]             ` <3mbmd5$s06@icebox.mfltd.co.uk>
1995-04-19  0:00               ` C++ not OOP? (Was: " Harley Davis
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1995-04-19  0:00                   ` Paul Graham
1995-04-19  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
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1995-04-19  0:00                         ` C++ not OOP? (Was: " Fernando Mato Mira
1995-04-19  0:00                           ` Curtis Bass
1995-04-19  0:00                             ` David Weller
1995-04-20  0:00                               ` Curtis Bass
1995-04-20  0:00                                 ` David Weller
1995-04-20  0:00                                   ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-21  0:00                                     ` Curtis Bass
1995-04-21  0:00                                       ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-20  0:00                                   ` Curtis Bass
1995-04-21  0:00                                     ` Robert Martin
1995-04-21  0:00                                       ` Ed Osinski
1995-04-21  0:00                                     ` Fernando Mato Mira
1995-04-21  0:00                                 ` Robert Martin
1995-04-20  0:00                         ` Matt Austern
1995-04-21  0:00                         ` Robert Martin
1995-04-21  0:00                           ` Curtis Bass
1995-04-21  0:00                         ` Matt Austern
1995-04-22  0:00                           ` Robert Martin
1995-04-22  0:00                             ` OOAD courses by Object Mentor cjames
1995-04-22  0:00                           ` C++ not OOP? (Was: Language Efficiency David Weller
1995-04-21  0:00                         ` Robert Martin
1995-04-21  0:00                           ` Curtis Bass
1995-04-21  0:00                         ` Ed Osinski
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1995-04-19  0:00                                   ` Multiple dispatch (was Re: C++ not OOP?) Fernando Mato Mira
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1995-04-21  0:00                             ` C++ not OOP? (Was: Language Efficiency James McKim
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1995-04-21  0:00                         ` Robert Martin
1995-04-21  0:00                           ` Curtis Bass
1995-04-21  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-22  0:00                             ` Robert Martin
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1995-04-21  0:00                         ` Norman H. Cohen
1995-04-21  0:00                           ` Curtis Bass
1995-04-19  0:00               ` Multiple dispatch (was Re: C++ not OOP?) Kenneth Almquist
1995-04-19  0:00               ` Robert I. Eachus
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1995-04-20  0:00                   ` C++ not OOP? (Was: Language Efficiency ron house
1995-04-21  0:00                   ` Robert Martin
1995-04-21  0:00                     ` Curtis Bass
1995-04-21  0:00               ` Multiple dispatch (was Re: C++ not OOP?) Robert I. Eachus
1995-04-21  0:00               ` C++ not OOP? (Was: Language Efficiency Norman H. Cohen
1995-04-21  0:00                 ` Fernando Mato Mira
1995-04-21  0:00                   ` Erik Naggum
1995-04-19  0:00             ` Adam Beneschan
1995-04-19  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
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     [not found]           ` <1995Apr10.095958@di.epfl.ch>
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1995-04-21  0:00                   ` Fergus Henderson
1995-04-22  0:00                     ` Kenneth Almquist
1995-04-04  0:00   ` Larry Kilgallen
1995-04-06  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-20  0:00   ` Matt Austern
1995-04-21  0:00   ` Robert I. Eachus [this message]
1995-04-04  0:00 ` Bob Kitzberger
1995-04-05  0:00   ` Mike Wilson
1995-04-05  0:00     ` Larry Kilgallen
1995-04-05  0:00     ` David Weller
1995-04-05  0:00 ` Lawrence Free/ A.F. Software Services
1995-04-05  0:00 ` Mitch Gart
1995-04-06  0:00 ` Ken Leidner
1995-04-06  0:00   ` Larry Kilgallen
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