Re: Open Systems closed to Ada?

[eachus@mitre-bedford.arpa (Robert I. Eachus)]

     I don't know why I bother, other than to lower my blood pressure...

In article <1992Dec5.231243.1533@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (f
red j mccall 575-3539) writes:

   In <EMERY.92Dec4135828@dr_no.mitre.org> emery@dr_no.mitre.org (David Emery) 
writes:

   >>I have spent the last 5 years working on IEEE Standard P1003.5 Ada
   >>Binding to POSIX...

   >>When I got started in the P1003.5 effort, I was hoping that we would
   >>be welcomed by the rest of POSIX.  What I expected was disinterest.
   >>What I found was hostility.  

   >Manifested how?  Surely they didn't just act hostile because you were
   >doing the Ada binding.  There had to be just a bit more to it than
   >that, wouldn't you say?

   >Reject as you like.  There is a BIG difference between going to
   >meetings and KNOWING the people at those meetings.  From your attitude
   >here, I would guess that you couldn't be bothered to do the latter,
   >them only being C scum and all...

     Fred, pay attention!  Dave did not say, I went to a few POSIX
meetings and made a lot of noise.  He said he spent five years working
on the P1003.5 Ada binding.  Dave didn't do ALL the work, but from
watching the process there were only a few people who did the work of
making the binding happen.  There is a big difference between
attending a conference or six and doing the work.

   >>And, Fred, please try to spell my last name right the next time you
   >>flame me.  It's E-M-E-R-Y.  You wouldn't want people to be confused
   >>about who you are attacking, would you?

   >Oh, and just by the by, you might want to read through the netiquette
   >stuff on criticism regarding typing, spelling, grammar, etc.
   >Generally considered bad form, and all that.

      Generally considered bad form to correct spelling errors, means
don't be one of a hundred idiots who post to point out a typing error.
It does NOT apply to correcting the misspelling of your own name,
especially as part of another post.

   >Rave on, Dave.  Rant about the Evil C Conspiracy all you
   >want.  Just don't be surprised if people decline to see the world
   >through your ever-so-biased viewpoint.

   >Me, I prefer reality to raves.

    Try reality then.  The ISO POSIX working group ISO/IEC
JTC1/SC22/WG15 refuses to submit any POSIX bindings, OTHER THAN C
BINDINGS, for standardization until the language independent binding
is complete.  Language independent bindings may be a good idea, but
this one has been going no where for years, and is delaying the
international approval of both Ada and FORTRAN bindings.  There is an
IEEE standard POSIX binding to Ada (P1003.5) which does not use the LI
binding, the IEEE POSIX Ada group has agreed to use the LI binding for
an Ada 9X binding, so why is there a problem.  Earlier this year, WG9
asked WG15 to expedite the Ada binding.  The action they took was
worse than delay...

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					Robert I. Eachus

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