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From: bobduff@world.std.com (Robert A Duff)
Subject: Re: Equality operator overloading in ADA 83
Date: 1997/04/25
Date: 1997-04-25T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E974Gt.IEM@world.std.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 33671d9c.5046069@news.airmail.net


In article <33671d9c.5046069@news.airmail.net>,
Kevin Cline <clines@delete_this.airmail.net> wrote:
>You should know.  All comparison functions used by a generic should be generic
>formal parameters with defaults.

Probably a good idea for "<" and sorting.  But it doesn't solve the
problem.  How does the compiler know whether the generic is making
certain assumptions (like "A < B and B < C" implies "A < C")?  We're
talking about language semantics, here: you either have to define
precise language rules that ensure the above property, or you have to
say what happens if that property doesn't hold (and lots of other
properties one could imagine).  It's not fair to rely on programmer's
good taste.

Do you believe that Text_IO.Integer_IO should have generic formal
functions for "+", "/", "mod", etc?  Even if it did, you still wouldn't
know exactly how they are used without looking at the generic body
(which I'm afraid is not in the RM).  There are many different
algorithms for converting integers to string form, and redefining "/"
might break some such algorithms, and not others.

>>OK, but then if I redefine "<" on a scalar type, should ">=" change?
>>After all, ">=" is (or could be) defined as "not <".
>
>Only for totally-ordered sets.  It is useful to redefine "<" and ">" to model
>partial orderings, in which case >= is not equivalent a < b.

We're talking about what the language semantics should do automatically
for you.  You have to say "yes" or "no".  You can't say "only for
totally-ordered sets" (unless you give the compiler some way of telling
whether you meant it to be a totally-ordered set, which sounds like a
can of worms to me).

- Bob




  reply	other threads:[~1997-04-25  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 114+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1997-04-21  0:00 Equality operator overloading in ADA 83 Manuel Wenger
1997-04-22  0:00 ` Kevin Cline
1997-04-22  0:00   ` Mark A Biggar
1997-04-24  0:00   ` Keith Thompson
1997-04-22  0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-04-22  0:00   ` Philip Brashear
1997-04-22  0:00   ` Mats Weber
1997-04-22  0:00     ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-22  0:00       ` Matthew Heaney
1997-04-23  0:00         ` Mats Weber
1997-04-23  0:00           ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-24  0:00             ` Mats Weber
1997-04-24  0:00               ` Matthew Heaney
1997-04-25  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-25  0:00                   ` Matthew Heaney
1997-04-26  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-26  0:00                   ` Fergus Henderson
1997-04-26  0:00                     ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-26  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-27  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-25  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-25  0:00                   ` Matthew Heaney
1997-04-26  0:00                     ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-26  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-24  0:00               ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-24  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-25  0:00                   ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-26  0:00                     ` Nick Roberts
1997-04-26  0:00                       ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-26  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-27  0:00                           ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-26  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-28  0:00                               ` Simon Wright
1997-04-29  0:00                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-04-26  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-26  0:00                         ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-02  0:00                           ` Nick Roberts
1997-05-04  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-05  0:00                               ` Mats Weber
1997-05-05  0:00                                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-06  0:00                                   ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-06  0:00                                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-07  0:00                                     ` Tucker Taft
1997-05-05  0:00                               ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-29  0:00                       ` Mats Weber
1997-05-01  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]                           ` <01bc571c$01f3ffc0$5de2b8cd@p5120.bda>
1997-05-03  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-27  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-27  0:00                       ` Fergus Henderson
1997-04-27  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-28  0:00                           ` Fergus Henderson
1997-04-28  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-25  0:00                 ` Kevin Cline
1997-04-25  0:00                   ` Robert A Duff [this message]
1997-04-25  0:00                   ` Mats Weber
1997-04-27  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-29  0:00                       ` Mats Weber
1997-04-25  0:00                   ` Mats Weber
1997-04-25  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-29  0:00                       ` Mats Weber
1997-05-01  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-25  0:00                 ` Mats Weber
1997-04-27  0:00                 ` Geert Bosch
1997-04-28  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-29  0:00                 ` Mats Weber
1997-04-29  0:00                   ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-29  0:00                     ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-02  0:00                       ` Tucker Taft
1997-05-02  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-02  0:00                           ` Robert A Duff
1997-05-03  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-01  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-29  0:00                 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-01  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-28  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-23  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-24  0:00             ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-29  0:00             ` Mats Weber
1997-05-01  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-24  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-22  0:00       ` Mats Weber
1997-04-22  0:00     ` Matthew Heaney
1997-04-23  0:00       ` Mats Weber
1997-04-23  0:00         ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-25  0:00           ` Kevin Cline
1997-04-25  0:00             ` Matthew Heaney
1997-04-25  0:00               ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-25  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-04-27  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-28  0:00                   ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-04-29  0:00                     ` Jon S Anthony
1997-04-26  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-27  0:00                 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-04-27  0:00                   ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-25  0:00             ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-26  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-26  0:00               ` Matthew Heaney
1997-04-24  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-24  0:00       ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-25  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-25  0:00           ` Matthew Heaney
1997-04-26  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-26  0:00               ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-26  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-26  0:00                   ` Matthew Heaney
1997-04-27  0:00                   ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-26  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-26  0:00                   ` Matthew Heaney
1997-04-27  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-27  0:00                   ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-26  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-02  0:00                       ` Nick Roberts
1997-05-04  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-22  0:00 ` Mats Weber
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