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From: bobduff@world.std.com (Robert A Duff)
Subject: Re: AQ&S Guidance on pragma Elaborate_Body
Date: 1997/04/22
Date: 1997-04-22T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E90p2u.Iq0@world.std.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 5jfu0b$l5p@top.mitre.org


In article <5jfu0b$l5p@top.mitre.org>,
Michael F Brenner <mfb@mbunix.mitre.org> wrote:
>One more thing must be said: in reusing this software, the reuse itself
>might have a circular dependency, which the compiler may or may not
>be able to figure out.

What do you mean by this?  If by "reuse" you mean taking some existing
set of packages, and using them without modification, then I don't see
how you can introduce a circularity.  To make a cycle, you need to add a
with_clause to one of those packages.

>... To reduce the amount of stuff that the compiler
>has to worry about, and to make it possible to compute a SINGLE
>elaboration order (without which the program may raise program_error
>at will), you MUST add one of the first three to all packages you
>think are NOT in a circular elaboration dependency loop. Doing this
>also helps you identify your elaboration loops more clearly, so you
>can deal with them using elaborate or elaborate_all or by removing
>the regression testing code from the elaboration-time executable
>statements at the bottom of the package. Failure to add these will
>cause needless failures when they are reused INSIDE an elaboration
>dependency loop. 

I agree that it's a good idea to put Pure, Preelaborate, or Elab_Body on
everything you can, but I don't see how you can reuse something inside
an elab dep loop.  Unless you're changing the re-used stuff, in which
case, of course, you can introduce cycles.  Or plain old bugs, for that
matter.

Probably Elaborate_Body should have been the default (or maybe even
Preelab or Pure), and there should have been a pragma to turn *off*
Elab_Body, in case of mutual recursion.  (By "recursion", I mean
"defined in terms of itself", not necessarily recursive calling.
E.g. mutually recursive type declarations can exist.)

IMHO the worst thing about this stuff is that elab order is not
portable.  If you make a mistake, you might not find out until you're
long dead and somebody else tries to port your code.

- Bob




  reply	other threads:[~1997-04-22  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1997-04-18  0:00 AQ&S Guidance on pragma Elaborate_Body JP Thornley
1997-04-18  0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-21  0:00   ` Michael F Brenner
1997-04-22  0:00     ` Robert A Duff [this message]
1997-04-18  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-19  0:00   ` Michael Paus
1997-04-19  0:00     ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-21  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-23  0:00         ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-23  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-24  0:00             ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-24  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-24  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-25  0:00                   ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-25  0:00                 ` Mats Weber
1997-04-25  0:00                   ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-04-26  0:00                     ` Nick Roberts
1997-04-26  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-28  0:00                         ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-04-29  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-29  0:00                             ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-04-27  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-28  0:00                     ` Mats Weber
1997-04-29  0:00                     ` Redefinition of "=", elaboration and learning Ada Mats Weber
1997-04-29  0:00                       ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-30  0:00                         ` Mats Weber
1997-04-26  0:00                 ` AQ&S Guidance on pragma Elaborate_Body Nick Roberts
1997-04-26  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-24  0:00           ` Mats Weber
1997-04-24  0:00             ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-24  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-25  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-20  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-21  0:00     ` Michael F Brenner
1997-04-23  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-24  0:00         ` Matthew Heaney
1997-04-24  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-24  0:00           ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-24  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-04-24  0:00             ` Matthew Heaney
1997-04-26  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-26  0:00                 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-04-27  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-29  0:00                     ` John G. Volan
1997-04-29  0:00                       ` Matthew Heaney
1997-04-30  0:00                         ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-01  0:00                         ` John G. Volan
1997-05-02  0:00                           ` Booch "forms" and child packages [was: AQ&S Guidance on pragma Elaborate_Body] John G. Volan
1997-05-02  0:00                         ` AQ&S Guidance on pragma Elaborate_Body John G. Volan
1997-04-26  0:00               ` Nick Roberts
1997-04-26  0:00                 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-04-26  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-25  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-25  0:00           ` Michael F Brenner
1997-04-26  0:00             ` Nick Roberts
1997-04-24  0:00         ` Laurent Guerby
1997-04-20  0:00 ` Doug Smith
1997-04-20  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-21  0:00     ` Matthew Heaney
1997-04-21  0:00       ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-21  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-22  0:00           ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-24  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-21  0:00         ` Matthew Heaney
1997-04-21  0:00           ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-21  0:00           ` Matthew Heaney
1997-04-22  0:00             ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-22  0:00               ` Matthew Heaney
1997-04-22  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-22  0:00                   ` Matthew Heaney
1997-04-23  0:00                     ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-24  0:00                       ` Matthew Heaney
1997-04-24  0:00                         ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-25  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-23  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-24  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-24  0:00                   ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-22  0:00             ` Mats Weber
1997-04-23  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1997-04-30  0:00 W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
1997-04-30  0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
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