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From: donh@syd.csa.com.au (Don Harrison)
Subject: Re: Eiffel and Java
Date: 1996/11/21
Date: 1996-11-21T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E17DL0.8M7@syd.csa.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: JSA.96Nov18195443@alexandria


Jon Anthony writes:

:Well - yes, I know that is how Sather works in this area.  I meant
:that in the Eiffel case you would have to fake this with a class which
:you happen to "really implement" by means of another separate class.

You wouldn't *want* to try to fake it simply because you don't need to. 
Trying to fake it is like attempting to cut a tree down with a chainsaw by 
bashing the sharp end against the tree just because you're used to using an 
axe - in other words, using a tool in a different way from that intended.

:So, you don't think the approaches _are_ different?????????!?!?!?!

No, they are obviously different.

I am disagreeing with the claim that everyone involved in that discussion 
(about the benefits or otherwise of separating interface from implementation) 
agreed on what the issues were. They did not. Some people thought particular 
things were relevant to the issue which others (maybe only myself) considered irrelevant. There was no general agreement on what the issues were.

(I don't accept that it is necessary to explicitly separate interface and 
implementation to acheive 1) Type safety, 2) Separate compilation, 
3) Whatever else). :)


Don.
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  reply	other threads:[~1996-11-21  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 168+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1996-10-27  0:00 Eiffel and Java Vincent WEBER
1996-10-27  0:00 ` Jean-Michel P. Decombe
1996-10-28  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-31  0:00     ` Doug Marker
1996-10-28  0:00   ` Alexandre Oliva
1996-10-28  0:00   ` David Hanley
1996-10-28  0:00     ` Matt Kennel
1996-10-29  0:00   ` Chris Trimble
1996-10-31  0:00     ` Doug Marker
1996-10-31  0:00   ` David Bennett
1996-10-28  0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1996-10-29  0:00   ` Vincent WEBER
1996-10-31  0:00     ` James McKim
1996-11-01  0:00       ` Matthew Heaney
1996-11-04  0:00         ` James McKim
1996-10-30  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-01  0:00     ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Jean-Marc Jezequel
1996-10-30  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java Don Harrison
1996-10-31  0:00     ` James McKim
1996-11-04  0:00       ` Don Harrison
1996-11-23  0:00       ` Van Snyder
1996-10-31  0:00   ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-01  0:00   ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-11-02  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Jon S Anthony
1996-11-02  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java Jon S Anthony
1996-11-03  0:00   ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-05  0:00   ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-10-28  0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1996-10-30  0:00   ` Ronald Cole
1996-10-29  0:00 ` Don Harrison
1996-10-29  0:00   ` Fergus Henderson
1996-10-30  0:00     ` Don Harrison
1996-10-30  0:00       ` Fergus Henderson
1996-10-31  0:00     ` David L. Shang
1996-11-01  0:00       ` Matt Kennel
1996-11-04  0:00         ` David L. Shang
1996-11-05  0:00           ` Matt Kennel
1996-11-06  0:00             ` David L. Shang
1996-11-04  0:00       ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-11-01  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-02  0:00       ` Fergus Henderson
1996-11-04  0:00       ` David L. Shang
1996-11-05  0:00         ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-02  0:00     ` Darko BUDOR
1996-11-02  0:00       ` Fergus Henderson
1996-11-03  0:00         ` Matt Kennel
1996-11-03  0:00         ` Darko BUDOR
1996-11-03  0:00     ` Matthias Ernst
1996-11-03  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-05  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-10  0:00     ` Marcos F. F. de Macedo
1996-11-11  0:00       ` David L. Shang
1996-11-12  0:00         ` Fergus Henderson
1996-11-12  0:00           ` David L. Shang
1996-11-12  0:00             ` David L. Shang
1996-11-16  0:00             ` Fergus Henderson
1996-11-18  0:00               ` David L. Shang
1996-11-18  0:00             ` Kai Quale
1996-11-18  0:00               ` David L. Shang
1996-11-25  0:00                 ` Kai Quale
1996-11-15  0:00         ` Paul Johnson
1996-11-12  0:00       ` Alexander Asteroth
1996-11-11  0:00         ` Marcos F. F. de Macedo
1996-11-12  0:00         ` Matt Kennel
1996-11-12  0:00         ` Benedict A. Gomes
1996-10-29  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Vincent WEBER
1996-10-30  0:00     ` Jean-Marc Jezequel
1996-11-01  0:00       ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-01  0:00       ` Don Harrison
1996-10-30  0:00     ` Don Harrison
1996-10-30  0:00       ` Jon S Anthony
1996-10-30  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java David Petrie Stoutamire
1996-10-30  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Jon S Anthony
1996-11-04  0:00     ` Don Harrison
1996-11-04  0:00       ` C to Ada Ali Mirhosseini
1996-11-04  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-04  0:00         ` Matthew Daniel
1996-11-05  0:00       ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Jon S Anthony
1996-11-05  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1996-11-06  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1996-10-30  0:00   ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-10-31  0:00   ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-10-31  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-01  0:00     ` Jean-Marc Jezequel
     [not found]     ` <E06F2B.Az7@syd.csa.com.au>
1996-11-01  0:00       ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-04  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1996-11-05  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-02  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-04  0:00         ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-11-05  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1996-11-05  0:00           ` Robb Nebbe
1996-11-06  0:00             ` To overload or not to overload (was Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching) Don Harrison
1996-11-06  0:00               ` Robb Nebbe
1996-11-07  0:00                 ` Don Harrison
1996-11-07  0:00                   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-07  0:00                   ` Juergen Schlegelmilch
1996-11-08  0:00                     ` Don Harrison
1996-11-08  0:00                       ` Don Harrison
1996-11-14  0:00                         ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-14  0:00                     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-07  0:00                   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-11  0:00                     ` Don Harrison
1996-11-08  0:00                   ` bill.williams
1996-11-11  0:00                     ` Don Harrison
1996-11-07  0:00                 ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-11-06  0:00             ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Jean-Marc Jezequel
1996-11-07  0:00               ` Robb Nebbe
1996-11-08  0:00             ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-11-05  0:00           ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-06  0:00           ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-11-08  0:00             ` Don Harrison
1996-11-08  0:00               ` Robert A Duff
1996-11-12  0:00                 ` Don Harrison
1996-11-12  0:00                   ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-15  0:00                     ` Richard Riehle
1996-11-16  0:00                     ` Interfacing contracts (Was: Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching) Geert Bosch
1996-11-17  0:00                       ` Robert A Duff
1996-11-12  0:00                   ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Robert A Duff
1996-11-13  0:00                     ` Don Harrison
1996-11-13  0:00                       ` Robert A Duff
1996-11-14  0:00                         ` Don Harrison
1996-11-13  0:00                       ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-15  0:00                         ` Don Harrison
1996-11-19  0:00                           ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-20  0:00                             ` Don Harrison
1996-11-08  0:00               ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-14  0:00               ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-11-14  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1996-11-15  0:00                 ` Don Harrison
1996-11-15  0:00                   ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-11-19  0:00                     ` Don Harrison
1996-11-18  0:00                       ` Vincent Celier
1996-11-22  0:00                         ` Don Harrison
1996-11-19  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-15  0:00               ` portmanteau (was Re: Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching) Robert I. Eachus
1996-11-07  0:00           ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Jon S Anthony
1996-11-07  0:00           ` Robb Nebbe
1996-11-12  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-01  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java Matthias Ernst
1996-11-01  0:00     ` William Clodius
1996-11-01  0:00     ` Benedict A. Gomes
1996-11-02  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Jon S Anthony
1996-11-02  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-04  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java Robert I. Eachus
1996-10-30  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-01  0:00   ` Don Harrison
1996-11-01  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-07  0:00       ` Marcos F. F. de Macedo
1996-11-11  0:00         ` Ian Joyner
1996-11-12  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1996-11-13  0:00           ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-11-15  0:00             ` Don Harrison
1996-11-14  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-15  0:00             ` Don Harrison
1996-11-19  0:00               ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-21  0:00                 ` Don Harrison [this message]
1996-11-12  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-10-31  0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-01  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-02  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-03  0:00 ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-04  0:00 ` Eiffel and Java Richard A. O'Keefe
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1996-10-28  0:00 cosc19z5@bayou.uh.edu
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1996-11-01  0:00   ` Alan Lovejoy
1996-11-01  0:00     ` Chris
1996-11-01  0:00   ` Ranjan Bagchi
1996-11-02  0:00 Ell
1996-11-02  0:00 ` traymond
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