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From: Hyman Rosen <hyrosen@mail.com>
Subject: Re: employment with ada
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 20:03:48 GMT
Date: 2003-05-11T20:03:48+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E0yva.16125$rV2.12620@nwrdny01.gnilink.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cf2c6063.0305111124.69ae9e84@posting.google.com>

Rod Chapman wrote:
> I wrote and presented the slides in question, and I'm very happy to
> answer any questions about their content, either personally
> or in comp.lang.ada.

Well, my primary question is how you expect to convince anyone except
for the already converted when you start talking about "a shack built
on a swamp". You have to expect that almost everyone in the embedded
community has programmed in C at some point, and has produced working
implementations. But you are telling them that by definition, they have
spent their careers producing crap, and you are about to lead them out
of the darkness. I trust you are not surprised at the results.

The PDFs talk about C ambiguity. What exactly is this supposed to mean,
and why is it a problem?

On the other hand, the sample rules for MISRA-C seem to just be rules of
correct C as opposed to limitations on the language. I assume that there
are actually some rules which do impose constraints. The ASSENT product
pages claim that they have a complete checking environment for all the
rules which can be examined by source, but you seem to doubt that this
can be true without explaining why.

Are there multiple implementations of the SPARK Examiner from different
companies? If not, criticism of multiple MISRA-C examiners for producing
somewhat different results is at least a little disingenuous.




  reply	other threads:[~2003-05-11 20:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-05-02  0:36 employment with ada tom
2003-05-02  0:41 ` Ed Falis
2003-05-02  8:51 ` John McCabe
2003-05-02 12:08 ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-02 20:54 ` Bill Sheehan
2003-05-03  3:23   ` R. Srinivasan
2003-05-03  4:13     ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-03  5:03       ` anisimkov
2003-05-03  7:07         ` Anders Wirzenius
2003-05-03  7:46           ` AG
2003-05-05  5:38             ` Anders Wirzenius
2003-05-03 14:44         ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-04 15:32       ` Mark Lorenzen
2003-05-05 11:47         ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-03 14:37     ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-03 16:03 ` DPH
2003-05-03 16:22   ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-05-03 17:18     ` DPH
2003-05-03 20:30       ` Jeffrey Carter
2003-05-03 19:17   ` Richard Riehle
2003-05-03 20:35     ` Jeffrey Carter
2003-05-04 11:01       ` Simon Wright
2003-05-05  0:34       ` Richard Riehle
2003-05-05  2:28         ` Jeffrey Carter
2003-05-05  3:33           ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-05 12:30           ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-04 13:14     ` DPH
2003-05-05  1:20       ` Richard Riehle
2003-05-07 12:20         ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-08 18:20           ` tmoran
2003-05-09 11:45             ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-09 13:11             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-09 17:13               ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-05-05  3:28       ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-05 10:45         ` DPH
2003-05-05 12:47           ` Ed Falis
2003-05-05 20:19             ` DPH
2003-05-05 20:28               ` Ed Falis
2003-05-06 11:30                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-07 13:22                   ` Stephen Leake
2003-05-08 12:21                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-05 17:12       ` Simon Wright
2003-05-04 13:20     ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-05 17:19       ` Simon Wright
2003-05-06 12:07         ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-04 18:14     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-05  1:24       ` Richard Riehle
2003-05-05  1:27       ` Richard Riehle
2003-05-10 20:29       ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-05-11  3:32         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-11  4:25           ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-05-11 16:43             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-11 23:04               ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-05-11 15:29           ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-11 17:14             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-11 19:24           ` Rod Chapman
2003-05-11 20:03             ` Hyman Rosen [this message]
2003-05-12  7:20               ` Rod Chapman
2003-05-04  0:25   ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-04  4:09     ` DPH
2003-05-04 19:37       ` P S Norby
2003-05-04  4:55   ` Steve
2003-05-04 12:55     ` DPH
2003-05-05  6:27     ` Anders Wirzenius
2003-05-04 12:57   ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-04 16:45     ` tmoran
2003-05-04 13:45   ` Alex Gibson
2003-05-05  4:07   ` William J. Thomsa
2003-05-05 18:41   ` P S Norby
2003-05-05 20:26     ` DPH
2003-05-05 23:06       ` William J. Thomsa
2003-05-05 23:20         ` DPH
2003-05-06  9:24       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-05-07  1:25         ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-07 13:23           ` Stephen Leake
2003-05-07 16:36             ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-06  9:32       ` Preben Randhol
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-05-04  1:32 Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2003-05-06 16:19 ` L. Siever
2003-05-07 13:35   ` Stephen Leake
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