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From: bobduff@world.std.com (Robert A Duff)
Subject: Re: Two ideas for the next Ada Standard
Date: 1996/09/04
Date: 1996-09-04T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Dx7M7F.8vF@world.std.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: JSA.96Sep3211341@alexandria


In article <JSA.96Sep3211341@alexandria>, Jon S Anthony <jsa@alexandria> wrote:
>In article <322C40B1.534A@ehs.ericsson.se> Jonas Nygren <ehsjony@ehs.ericsson.se> writes:
>> type X1A is access X;
>> type X2A is access X;
>> X1P : X1A;
>> X2P : X2A;
>> To use X1P and X2P together often requires conversions.

Actually, unless you say "access all", the conversions aren't even
allowed.

>If you are really this concerned about this why not just make the type
>limited private?  Clients can't access the state (except through the
>interface) and they can't assign the things.  For _clients_, it is
>strictly _in_ mode.

But limited is not the same thing as constant.  An 'in' parameter is
constant -- it cannot be modified.  An 'in out' parameter of a limited
type is NOT constant -- it can be changed.  Saying clients can't change
it (except blah blah blah) isn't much help -- the fact is it *can* be
changed, and it's easy for the client to change it -- just call
something in the package that owns the type.

Also, what about the primitive operations of the type?  The whole point
of parameter modes is so that you can tell by looking at the spec,
whether or not a given parameter can be changed.

So, I don't buy the advice "use limited instead of access constant".

- Bob




  reply	other threads:[~1996-09-04  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 98+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1996-08-31  0:00 Re:Two ideas for the next Ada Standard dulman
1996-09-01  0:00 ` Two " Robert Dewar
1996-09-03  0:00   ` Larry Kilgallen
1996-09-03  0:00   ` Jonas Nygren
1996-09-03  0:00     ` Peter Hermann
1996-09-04  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1996-09-04  0:00         ` Larry Kilgallen
1996-09-03  0:00     ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-09-03  0:00       ` Robert A Duff
1996-09-03  0:00         ` Adam Beneschan
1996-09-03  0:00         ` Dale Stanbrough
1996-09-04  0:00           ` Two " Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-09-04  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-09-04  0:00         ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-09-05  0:00           ` Robert A Duff
1996-09-06  0:00             ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-09-06  0:00               ` Robert A Duff
1996-09-06  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1996-09-10  0:00                 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-09-10  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1996-09-10  0:00                   ` Mark A Biggar
1996-09-05  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1996-09-06  0:00             ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-09-03  0:00       ` Jonas Nygren
1996-09-03  0:00         ` Robert A Duff
1996-09-04  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-09-04  0:00         ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-09-10  0:00       ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-09-04  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-09-04  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-09-03  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-09-04  0:00     ` Joel VanLaven
1996-09-04  0:00     ` David Weller
1996-09-04  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-09-04  0:00     ` Robert A Duff [this message]
1996-09-04  0:00   ` Jonas Nygren
1996-09-06  0:00     ` Tucker Taft
1996-09-08  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-09-08  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1996-09-09  0:00         ` John G. Volan
1996-09-09  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-09-04  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-09-05  0:00     ` Robert A Duff
1996-09-05  0:00     ` Mark A Biggar
1996-09-05  0:00   ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-09-06  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-09-07  0:00   ` Jonas Nygren
1996-09-08  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-09-08  0:00     ` Robert A Duff
1996-09-08  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-09-01  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-09-05  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-09-06  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-09-06  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-09-10  0:00 ` Samuel Tardieu
1996-09-10  0:00 ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-09-11  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1996-09-06  0:00 Marin David Condic, 407.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1996-09-04  0:00 Marin David Condic, 407.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1996-09-06  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-09-04  0:00 Bob Mathis
1996-08-28  0:00 Two ideas for the next Ada standard Van Snyder
1996-08-29  0:00 ` Dale Stanbrough
1996-08-30  0:00   ` Robert A Duff
1996-08-30  0:00     ` Adam Beneschan
1996-08-31  0:00       ` Robert A Duff
1996-08-31  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-09-04  0:00           ` Dennison
1996-09-05  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1996-09-05  0:00               ` Dennison
1996-09-06  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-09-07  0:00                   ` Dennison
1996-09-07  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1996-09-06  0:00           ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-09-06  0:00             ` Robert A Duff
1996-09-06  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1996-09-09  0:00               ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-09-06  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1996-09-07  0:00             ` Keith Thompson
1996-09-12  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1996-09-02  0:00         ` Geert Bosch
1996-09-02  0:00           ` Robert A Duff
1996-08-30  0:00 ` Peter Hermann
1996-08-30  0:00   ` Michael F Brenner
1996-08-30  0:00     ` Robert A Duff
1996-08-30  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-31  0:00         ` Robert A Duff
1996-08-31  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1996-09-01  0:00             ` Robert A Duff
1996-08-31  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-09-01  0:00     ` Robert A Duff
1996-09-02  0:00 ` Laurent Guerby
1996-09-02  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-09-03  0:00 ` Laurent Guerby
1996-09-03  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-09-03  0:00 ` Laurent Guerby
1996-09-03  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-09-04  0:00     ` Adam Beneschan
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