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From: bobduff@world.std.com (Robert A Duff)
Subject: Re: Uninitialized variables, Java example
Date: 1996/07/25
Date: 1996-07-25T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Dv47pu.Lts@world.std.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Dv1sME.1u4.0.-s@inmet.camb.inmet.com


In article <Dv1sME.1u4.0.-s@inmet.camb.inmet.com>,
Arra Avakian <arra@inmet.com> wrote:
>The language spec says the following about this subject:
>
>        4.2.3 Setting Local Variables  
>
>         Methods are rigorously checked to be sure that all local variables 
>        (variables declared inside a method) are set before they are 
>        referenced. Using a local variable before it is initialized is a 
>        compile-time error.  

That's not a language spec, IMHO.  That's a vague description that might
be useful to a person learning Java, but it doesn't tell me exactly
which programs are disallowed at compile time.  Is this feature of Java
precisely defined somewhere (other than in the Java implementation(s))?

The last sentence doesn't say which cases are compile-time errors,
despite the fact that they do NOT use uninit vars.  The halting theorem
tells us that there MUST be some such cases.  And understanding which
cases those are is crucial to deciding whether this is a good rule.

Also, note that this rule explicitly applies to local variables of a
method.  It does not apply to global variables, and it does not apply to
components of objects.  If I remember correctly, Java automatically
initializes those to (null, False, zero, whatever), depending on the
type.  But I could be misremembering my Java.

- Bob




  parent reply	other threads:[~1996-07-25  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1996-07-18  0:00 Uninitialized "out" parameters Paul Whittington
1996-07-18  0:00 ` Adam Beneschan
1996-07-18  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-19  0:00   ` Pascal Obry
1996-07-19  0:00     ` Peter Hermann
1996-07-19  0:00   ` Samuel Tardieu
1996-07-19  0:00     ` John Herro
1996-07-19  0:00       ` Tucker Taft
1996-07-23  0:00         ` Peter Hermann
1996-07-23  0:00           ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-19  0:00   ` Dale Stanbrough
1996-07-19  0:00     ` James A. Squire
1996-07-19  0:00       ` Adam Beneschan
1996-07-20  0:00       ` Michael Feldman
1996-07-21  0:00         ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-21  0:00           ` Michael Feldman
1996-07-21  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-22  0:00             ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-23  0:00               ` Michael Feldman
1996-07-23  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-25  0:00                   ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-24  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-25  0:00                   ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-24  0:00                 ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-19  0:00     ` Adam Beneschan
1996-07-18  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-19  0:00   ` Peter Amey
1996-07-20  0:00   ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-20  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-21  0:00       ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-21  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-23  0:00           ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-23  0:00             ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-24  0:00               ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-24  0:00               ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-23  0:00           ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-23  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-24  0:00               ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-24  0:00               ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-24  0:00               ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-25  0:00               ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-25  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-23  0:00             ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-24  0:00               ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-24  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-25  0:00                   ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-25  0:00                     ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-24  0:00                 ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-07-25  0:00                 ` Frank Manning
1996-07-25  0:00                   ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-26  0:00                     ` Frank Manning
1996-07-19  0:00 ` Peter Amey
1996-07-19  0:00 ` Michel Gauthier
1996-07-21  0:00   ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-21  0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-22  0:00 ` Is 'out' different from 'in out' (Was: Uninitialized "out" parameters) Michel Gauthier
1996-07-22  0:00   ` Tucker Taft
1996-07-22  0:00   ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-22  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-23  0:00 ` Uninitialized "out" parameters John Herro
1996-07-23  0:00   ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-24  0:00     ` Uninitialized variables, Java example Arra Avakian
1996-07-25  0:00       ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-25  0:00         ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-25  0:00       ` Robert A Duff [this message]
1996-07-23  0:00   ` Uninitialized "out" parameters Robert Dewar
1996-07-24  0:00     ` Peter Hermann
1996-07-26  0:00   ` Stephen J Bevan
1996-07-26  0:00     ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-23  0:00 ` Is 'out' different from 'in out' (Was: Uninitialized "out" parameters) Michel Gauthier
1996-07-23  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-24  0:00   ` Pascal Obry
1996-07-25  0:00   ` Tucker Taft
1996-07-24  0:00 ` Uninitialized variables, Java example Felaco
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