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From: bobduff@world.std.com (Robert A Duff)
Subject: Re: Uninitialized "out" parameters
Date: 1996/07/25
Date: 1996-07-25T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Dv46qu.CL0@world.std.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 4t7chp$9mk@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au


In article <4t7chp$9mk@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au>,
Richard A. O'Keefe <ok@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au> wrote:
>You are telling this to a programmer who is in the habit of making
>sure that every integer division involves a divisor declared to be
>Positive rather than Integer, and thinks that this is one good reason
>for using Ada instead of C.

Yeah, I try to do similar things, when possible.  BUT, first of all it
doesn't always work.  Division is well defined for negatives and
positives, but not zero, and Ada has no "non-zero" constraint.  Also,
you're not detecting divide-by-zero at compile time using this
technique.  You're detecting it earlier, which is good, but still at run
time.  "X: Positive := <some-expression>;" is checked at run time.

>Compile time checking of property Z, in a language that permits it,
>    - forbids some meaningful programs
>    - ensures that a class of errors is not present
>    - has lower run-time penalties, and because the compiler knows
>      more, may permit the generation of better code
>Run time checking of property Z, in an implementation that permits it,
>    - places fewer restrictions on source programs
>    - ensures that a class of errors will not be *executed* without warning
>    - has higher run-time penalties.

Yes, that's what I meant by "it's a trade-off".

- Bob




  reply	other threads:[~1996-07-25  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1996-07-18  0:00 Uninitialized "out" parameters Paul Whittington
1996-07-18  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-19  0:00   ` Peter Amey
1996-07-20  0:00   ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-20  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-21  0:00       ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-21  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-23  0:00           ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-23  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-24  0:00               ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-24  0:00               ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-24  0:00               ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-25  0:00               ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-25  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-23  0:00             ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-24  0:00               ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-24  0:00                 ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-07-24  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-25  0:00                   ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-25  0:00                     ` Robert A Duff [this message]
1996-07-25  0:00                 ` Frank Manning
1996-07-25  0:00                   ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-26  0:00                     ` Frank Manning
1996-07-23  0:00           ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-23  0:00             ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-24  0:00               ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-24  0:00               ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-18  0:00 ` Adam Beneschan
1996-07-18  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-19  0:00   ` Pascal Obry
1996-07-19  0:00     ` Peter Hermann
1996-07-19  0:00   ` Samuel Tardieu
1996-07-19  0:00     ` John Herro
1996-07-19  0:00       ` Tucker Taft
1996-07-23  0:00         ` Peter Hermann
1996-07-23  0:00           ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-19  0:00   ` Dale Stanbrough
1996-07-19  0:00     ` Adam Beneschan
1996-07-19  0:00     ` James A. Squire
1996-07-19  0:00       ` Adam Beneschan
1996-07-20  0:00       ` Michael Feldman
1996-07-21  0:00         ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-21  0:00           ` Michael Feldman
1996-07-21  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-22  0:00             ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-23  0:00               ` Michael Feldman
1996-07-23  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-25  0:00                   ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-24  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-25  0:00                   ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-24  0:00                 ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-19  0:00 ` Michel Gauthier
1996-07-21  0:00   ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-19  0:00 ` Peter Amey
1996-07-21  0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-22  0:00 ` Is 'out' different from 'in out' (Was: Uninitialized "out" parameters) Michel Gauthier
1996-07-22  0:00   ` Tucker Taft
1996-07-22  0:00   ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-22  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-23  0:00 ` Uninitialized "out" parameters John Herro
1996-07-23  0:00   ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-24  0:00     ` Uninitialized variables, Java example Arra Avakian
1996-07-25  0:00       ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-25  0:00         ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-25  0:00       ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-23  0:00   ` Uninitialized "out" parameters Robert Dewar
1996-07-24  0:00     ` Peter Hermann
1996-07-26  0:00   ` Stephen J Bevan
1996-07-26  0:00     ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-23  0:00 ` Is 'out' different from 'in out' (Was: Uninitialized "out" parameters) Michel Gauthier
1996-07-23  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-24  0:00   ` Pascal Obry
1996-07-25  0:00   ` Tucker Taft
1996-07-24  0:00 ` Uninitialized variables, Java example Felaco
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1996-07-29  0:00 Uninitialized out parameters W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
2016-04-05 12:02 ahlan
2016-04-05 13:17 ` rieachus
2016-04-05 14:07   ` ahlan
2016-04-06  9:45     ` Mark Lorenzen
2016-04-06 21:01       ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2016-04-07  7:10       ` ahlan
2016-04-05 16:19 ` G.B.
2016-04-06  8:19   ` ahlan
2016-04-06 10:17     ` G.B.
2016-04-06 11:44       ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2016-04-06 20:41         ` Niklas Holsti
2016-04-06 20:54         ` Randy Brukardt
2016-04-06 20:47       ` Randy Brukardt
2016-04-06 21:01         ` Randy Brukardt
2016-04-06 21:22           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-04-07  7:27             ` Randy Brukardt
2016-04-06 11:37 ` AdaMagica
2016-04-06 13:44   ` ahlan
2016-04-06 14:09     ` Mark Lorenzen
2016-04-06 14:10     ` G.B.
2016-04-06 20:53     ` Stefan.Lucks
2016-04-06 21:03       ` Randy Brukardt
2016-04-06 21:12       ` Niklas Holsti
2016-04-06 21:30       ` Randy Brukardt
2016-04-07  9:56         ` Stefan.Lucks
2016-04-07 16:08           ` AdaMagica
2016-04-07 23:02             ` Randy Brukardt
2016-04-08  7:32               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-04-07  7:52       ` Georg Bauhaus
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