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From: bobduff@world.std.com (Robert A Duff)
Subject: Re: Q: access to subprogram
Date: 1996/07/08
Date: 1996-07-08T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Du8t2L.ACz@world.std.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: dewar.836709438@schonberg


In article <dewar.836709438@schonberg>, Robert Dewar <dewar@cs.nyu.edu> wrote:
>If there is no nesting, then neither static links nor displays have
>any overhead at all.
>
>If there is nesting,...
[lots of good stuff]
>It seems clear to me from these considerations that displays will be
>faster than static links for most typical programs.

But, IMHO, there usually is no nesting.  Therefore, the same facts lead
me to think, "If there's a difference, it's negligible."  Therefore,
compilers ought to do what's simplest (IMHO, static links are simpler to
implement).

Also, you analyzed calls, but you didn't analyze the speed of up-level
references.  For a display, it's some-offset added to some-display-
pointer.  For static links, it's some-offset added to
chaining-up-the-links.  Sure sounds like displays are better.
Especially if the display is in registers.  But it depends a lot on what
optimizations are done.  E.g., can the compiler recognize cases where
the nested procedure does no up-level refs?  Can the compiler recognize
cases where the outer procedure's stack frame can be merged with the
environment task's stack frame (i.e. static allocation)?  Can the
compiler notice multiple loads of the same up-level reference?  Can the
display in fact be stored entirely in registers?  These all make a
difference, but IMHO they are second-order effects, given that most code
isn't nested at all.

I haven't seen any studies showing code is not nested.  It's just my
limited experience.  Why would that be?  I don't think nesting is
necessarily evil.  But, in Ada, you need to be at library level to do
true separate compilation, so there's a strong incentive to avoid
nesting.  Subunits allow separate compilation of bodies (in some
compilers), but to get separate compilation of specs, you have to use
library units.

- Bob




  reply	other threads:[~1996-07-08  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 133+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1996-07-02  0:00 Q: access to subprogram tmoran
1996-07-02  0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-02  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-03  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-07-03  0:00     ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-08  0:00       ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-07-09  0:00         ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-03  0:00     ` Mark A Biggar
1996-07-03  0:00       ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-03  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-09  0:00         ` Thomas Wolff
1996-07-09  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-10  0:00           ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-10  0:00             ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-10  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-10  0:00               ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-10  0:00                 ` Thomas Wolff
1996-07-10  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-10  0:00                   ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-03  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-06  0:00         ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-08  0:00           ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-07-08  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-11  0:00             ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-12  0:00               ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-14  0:00               ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-07-03  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-19  0:00     ` Brian Rogoff
1996-07-22  0:00       ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-23  0:00       ` Brian Rogoff
1996-07-23  0:00         ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-26  0:00         ` Brian Rogoff
1996-07-28  0:00           ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-22  0:00     ` Brian Rogoff
1996-07-23  0:00       ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-24  0:00       ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-26  0:00         ` Ken Garlington
1996-07-30  0:00           ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-24  0:00       ` Brian Rogoff
1996-07-26  0:00         ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-30  0:00         ` Brian Rogoff
1996-07-24  0:00     ` Brian Rogoff
1996-07-26  0:00     ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-28  0:00       ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-29  0:00         ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-29  0:00           ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-28  0:00       ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-29  0:00     ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-30  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-07-03  0:00   ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-03  0:00     ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-03  0:00       ` Adam Beneschan
1996-07-03  0:00         ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-03  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-09  0:00         ` Thomas Wolff
1996-07-03  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-05  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-07-06  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-06  0:00     ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-06  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-08  0:00         ` Robert A Duff [this message]
1996-07-08  0:00       ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-08  0:00         ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-08  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-08  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-10  0:00           ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-10  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-19  0:00               ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-07  0:00   ` Mark Eichin
1996-07-08  0:00     ` Richard Kenner
1996-07-07  0:00   ` Ronald Cole
1996-07-07  0:00     ` Richard Kenner
1996-07-07  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-07  0:00       ` Richard Kenner
1996-07-07  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-14  0:00       ` Ronald Cole
1996-07-14  0:00         ` Richard Kenner
1996-07-15  0:00           ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-15  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-17  0:00               ` Adam Beneschan
1996-07-17  0:00               ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-17  0:00                 ` Richard Kenner
1996-07-20  0:00               ` Michael Feldman
1996-07-20  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-16  0:00             ` Richard Kenner
1996-07-08  0:00   ` Brian Rogoff
1996-07-11  0:00     ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-07-11  0:00       ` Magnus Kempe
1996-07-11  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-09  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-07-09  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-09  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-07-09  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-09  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-10  0:00   ` Ronald Cole
1996-07-11  0:00     ` Richard Kenner
1996-07-11  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-11  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-07-11  0:00     ` Tucker Taft
1996-07-17  0:00       ` Brian Rogoff
1996-07-11  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-15  0:00       ` Mark A Biggar
1996-07-15  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-12  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-07-12  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-15  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-07-15  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-11  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-07-11  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-11  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-07-12  0:00   ` Brian Rogoff
1996-07-16  0:00     ` Magnus Kempe
1996-07-14  0:00   ` Ronald Cole
1996-07-14  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-15  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-07-15  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-16  0:00   ` Brian Rogoff
1996-07-24  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-07-25  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-07-25  0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-25  0:00   ` David Kristola
1996-07-26  0:00     ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-30  0:00       ` Thomas Wolff
1996-07-30  0:00         ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-30  0:00       ` David Kristola
1996-07-26  0:00   ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-26  0:00     ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-28  0:00       ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-28  0:00         ` Fergus Henderson
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1996-07-05  0:00 tmoran
1996-07-06  0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-15  0:00 tmoran
1996-07-15  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
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