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From: stt@henning.camb.inmet.com (Tucker Taft)
Subject: Re: Real OO
Date: 1996/05/10
Date: 1996-05-10T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Dr7163.2F8.0.-s@inmet.camb.inmet.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Pine.GSO.3.92.960509171645.1191B-100000@nunic.nu.edu


Richard Riehle (rriehle@nunic.nu.edu) wrote:
: ...
:   Though the substitutability principle is often attributed to Liskov,
:   it is also given treatment in a paper from Wegner and Zdonic,
:   "Inheritance as an Incremental Modification Mechanism" published in
:   the Proceedings of the European Conference on
:   Object-Oriented Programming, 1988.

:   An important overview of this subject is Cardelli and Wegner, "On
:   Understanding Types, Data Abstraction, and Polymorphism," ACM
:   Computing Surveys, Number 17, 1985.


:   -- =================================================================

:   All that academic stuff aside, the substitutability rule is quite
:   useful when trying to determine whether one is organizing a set of
:   objects by classification or by some other mechanism.  In particular,
:   there is a point-of-view which says one should always apply the
:   substitutability principle when attempting multiple inheritance.

In Ada 95, the substitutability rule is almost a tautology,
if you interpret it as meaning that any place where you can
use A'Class, you should be able to substitute an operand of
type A1'Class, where A1 is a derivative of A.  Since A'Class is a 
proper superset of A1'Class, it is trivial to show that any
procedure that works properly over all operands of "type" A'Class,
will also work properly over all operands of "type" A1'Class.

What this highlights, in my view, is that the substituability rule
only makes sense in terms of an *explicitly* enumerated set of 
properties or invariants that are presumed over a given set of types.  

If you then want to add a new type to that set, you must be careful 
that the new type satisfies all of the properties/invariants presumed 
by the rest of the system.  Clearly it is not possible to satisfy
all possible properties imaginable, for example the time or space
requirements of two types (and their associated operatios) will 
almost never be identical.  If time/space is critical to the
correct operation of the system (e.g. in a real-time embedded system),
then you must enumerate the requirements, and verify them for each
type in the set.  

Just saying "substitutability" doesn't really say anything, IMHO.
The real issue is establishing a set of "class-wide" requirements,
and then verifying them each time a new type is added to the set of
types within the class (hierarchy).

Eiffel tries to support this effort through class invariants, but
I believe it gets tripped up a bit by the conflict between establishing
useful invariants for a specific type/class in the class
hierarchy, which might want to be quite "tight" so as to catch as
many errors as possible, and the appropriate invariants for the 
entire class hierarchy, which want to be as "loose" as possible 
to ensure flexibility of extension.  There seems to be
a need to have two separate kinds of invariants -- those that apply to
an individual type/class, and a separate set that get "inherited",
and that apply throughout the class hierarchy.

:   Richard Riehle

-Tucker Taft   stt@inmet.com   http://www.inmet.com/~stt/
Intermetrics, Inc.  Cambridge, MA  USA




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1996-03-18  0:00 ` Real OO Norman H. Cohen
1996-03-18  0:00   ` The Right Reverend Colin James III
1996-03-19  0:00     ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-03-20  0:00       ` Norman Cohen giving IBM a bad name The Right Reverend Colin James III
1996-03-20  0:00         ` Colin James III giving humans a bad name (was Re: Norman Cohen giving IBM a bad name) David Emery
1996-03-20  0:00           ` Mark R Okern - F95
1996-03-20  0:00             ` Real OO John G. Volan
1996-03-21  0:00               ` Scott Leschke
1996-03-21  0:00                 ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-03-21  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1996-03-22  0:00                 ` Don Harrison
1996-03-21  0:00             ` Colin James III giving humans a bad name (was Re: Norman Cohen giving IBM a bad name) Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-03-21  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-20  0:00         ` Norman Cohen giving IBM a bad name Brian & Karen Bell
1996-03-20  0:00         ` Real OO Dale Stanbrough
1996-03-21  0:00           ` Richard Pitre
1996-03-20  0:00         ` Norman Cohen giving IBM a bad name Dave Retherford
1996-03-21  0:00         ` Kent Mitchell
1996-03-22  0:00         ` Robert Munck
1996-03-22  0:00           ` Mark Brennan
1996-03-22  0:00             ` David Curry
1996-03-23  0:00         ` Tom Reid
1996-03-21  0:00       ` Real OO Don Harrison
1996-03-21  0:00   ` Colin James III giving humans a bad name (was Re: Norman Cohen giving IBM a bad name) Ulrich Windl
1996-03-20  0:00 ` Real OO Don Harrison
1996-03-22  0:00 ` Don Harrison
1996-03-22  0:00   ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-03-26  0:00     ` Don Harrison
1996-03-26  0:00       ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-03-29  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1996-03-27  0:00       ` Thomas Beale
1996-03-28  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1996-03-22  0:00   ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-03-27  0:00     ` Don Harrison
1996-03-27  0:00       ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-03-28  0:00         ` Jacob Gore
1996-04-04  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1996-04-04  0:00           ` Robb Nebbe
1996-04-04  0:00           ` Laurent Guerby
1996-04-04  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1996-04-04  0:00           ` Tucker Taft
1996-04-04  0:00             ` Tucker Taft
1996-04-12  0:00               ` Don Harrison
1996-04-12  0:00             ` Don Harrison
1996-04-15  0:00               ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-04-19  0:00                 ` Don Harrison
1996-04-19  0:00                   ` Matt Kennel
1996-04-20  0:00                     ` Bob Hathaway
1996-04-23  0:00                     ` Don Harrison
1996-03-23  0:00   ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-03-26  0:00     ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-04-04  0:00       ` Don Harrison
1996-04-04  0:00         ` Jon S Anthony
1996-04-12  0:00           ` Don Harrison
1996-04-17  0:00             ` Jon S Anthony
1996-04-19  0:00               ` Don Harrison
1996-04-19  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-04-23  0:00                   ` Don Harrison
1996-04-24  0:00                     ` Don Harrison
1996-04-29  0:00                     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-04-30  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-30  0:00                         ` Amit Patel
1996-04-30  0:00                           ` Robert A Duff
1996-05-07  0:00                             ` Amit Patel
1996-05-01  0:00                           ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-05-01  0:00                             ` Colin James III (The Rt Rev'd)
1996-05-07  0:00                             ` Amit Patel
1996-04-30  0:00                         ` Robert A Duff
1996-04-30  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1996-05-01  0:00                             ` Richard Bielak
1996-04-30  0:00                           ` Amit Patel
1996-05-01  0:00                           ` Adam Beneschan
1996-05-02  0:00                             ` Ell
1996-05-01  0:00                         ` Don Harrison
1996-05-01  0:00                           ` David Hopwood
1996-05-03  0:00                             ` Don Harrison
1996-05-01  0:00                           ` Don Harrison
1996-05-02  0:00                             ` Robert A Duff
1996-05-03  0:00                               ` Don Harrison
1996-05-03  0:00                                 ` Robert A Duff
1996-05-06  0:00                                   ` Don Harrison
1996-05-06  0:00                                     ` Robert A Duff
1996-05-06  0:00                                     ` Robb Nebbe
1996-05-02  0:00                           ` Robert A Duff
1996-05-03  0:00                             ` Don Harrison
1996-05-10  0:00                             ` Don Harrison
1996-05-01  0:00                         ` AdaWorks
1996-05-08  0:00                         ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-05-03  0:00                       ` Don Harrison
1996-05-03  0:00                         ` Dave Fitch
1996-05-07  0:00                         ` Jon S Anthony
1996-04-30  0:00                     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-05-01  0:00                       ` Matt Kennel
1996-05-03  0:00                         ` Don Harrison
1996-05-02  0:00                       ` Don Harrison
1996-05-02  0:00                         ` Jon S Anthony
1996-05-03  0:00                           ` Don Harrison
1996-05-06  0:00                             ` Jon S Anthony
1996-05-02  0:00                         ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-05-06  0:00                         ` Jon S Anthony
1996-05-06  0:00                       ` Don Harrison
1996-05-06  0:00                         ` Don Harrison
1996-05-07  0:00                         ` Jon S Anthony
1996-05-13  0:00                           ` Don Harrison
1996-05-09  0:00                         ` Jon S Anthony
1996-04-30  0:00                     ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-04-19  0:00                 ` Multiple Dispatch in Ada 95 (Was Re: Real OO) Brian Rogoff
1996-04-21  0:00                   ` Brian Rogoff
1996-04-19  0:00                 ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-04-20  0:00                 ` Brian Rogoff
1996-04-21  0:00                   ` Robert A Duff
1996-04-24  0:00                 ` Real OO Joachim Durchholz
1996-05-01  0:00                   ` Matt Kennel
1996-05-02  0:00                     ` Don Harrison
1996-05-07  0:00                   ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-05-08  0:00                   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-05-09  0:00                   ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-04-30  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-05-03  0:00                   ` Don Harrison
1996-05-07  0:00                     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-04-30  0:00                 ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-05-08  0:00                   ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-05-10  0:00                   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-05-02  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-05-06  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-04-08  0:00         ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-04-08  0:00           ` Robert A Duff
1996-04-09  0:00             ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-04-10  0:00           ` Don Harrison
1996-04-11  0:00           ` Jacob Gore
1996-04-12  0:00           ` Don Harrison
1996-04-12  0:00             ` Matt Kennel
1996-04-15  0:00               ` Don Harrison
1996-04-12  0:00             ` Jon S Anthony
1996-04-13  0:00               ` Robert A Duff
1996-04-16  0:00             ` Jon S Anthony
1996-04-12  0:00           ` Don Harrison
1996-04-12  0:00             ` Jacob Gore
1996-04-16  0:00               ` Don Harrison
1996-04-09  0:00         ` Jon S Anthony
1996-04-09  0:00         ` Valery CROIZIER
1996-04-09  0:00       ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-05-02  0:00       ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-05-05  0:00         ` Robert A Duff
1996-05-05  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1996-05-06  0:00         ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-05-07  0:00           ` Don Harrison
1996-05-07  0:00             ` Jon S Anthony
1996-05-08  0:00               ` Don Harrison
1996-05-08  0:00             ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-05-08  0:00               ` Robert A Duff
1996-05-10  0:00                 ` Matt Kennel
1996-05-10  0:00                   ` Robert A Duff
1996-05-14  0:00                     ` Matt Kennel
1996-05-15  0:00                       ` Robert A Duff
1996-05-07  0:00           ` Ada terminology (was Re: Real OO) David Hopwood
1996-05-07  0:00             ` The Right Reverend Colin James III
1996-05-07  0:00             ` Tucker Taft
1996-05-07  0:00               ` The Right Reverend Colin James III
1996-05-08  0:00               ` bill.williams
1996-05-07  0:00             ` Dave Jones
1996-05-07  0:00         ` Real OO Amit Patel
1996-05-07  0:00           ` The Right Reverend Colin James III
1996-05-08  0:00           ` Don Harrison
1996-05-08  0:00             ` Juergen Schlegelmilch
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1996-05-09  0:00                 ` Richard Riehle
1996-05-10  0:00                   ` Tucker Taft [this message]
1996-05-13  0:00                     ` Don Harrison
1996-05-13  0:00                       ` Tucker Taft
1996-05-14  0:00                         ` Roger Browne
1996-05-14  0:00                         ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-05-14  0:00                         ` Don Harrison
1996-05-14  0:00                           ` Robert A Duff
1996-05-14  0:00                           ` Steve Tynor
1996-05-14  0:00                             ` Robert A Duff
1996-05-15  0:00                             ` Don Harrison
1996-05-15  0:00                           ` Steve Tynor
1996-05-15  0:00                             ` Robert A Duff
1996-05-16  0:00                           ` James McKim
1996-05-18  0:00                             ` Matt Kennel
1996-05-20  0:00                               ` James McKim
1996-05-22  0:00                                 ` Matt Kennel
1996-05-15  0:00                         ` Steve Tynor
1996-05-15  0:00                         ` Alexander Kjeldaas
1996-05-19  0:00                         ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-05-14  0:00                   ` James McKim
1996-05-15  0:00                     ` Juergen Schlegelmilch
1996-05-09  0:00                 ` Juergen Schlegelmilch
1996-05-20  0:00               ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-05-07  0:00       ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-05-09  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1996-05-09  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1996-05-09  0:00           ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-04-02  0:00     ` Detecting type mismatch at compile time (was Re: Real OO) Robert I. Eachus
1996-04-03  0:00       ` Richard Bielak
1996-04-04  0:00       ` Don Harrison
1996-03-28  0:00   ` Real OO Joachim Durchholz
1996-03-29  0:00     ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-03-30  0:00       ` John G. Volan
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1996-03-29  0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-04-04  0:00   ` Don Harrison
1996-04-04  0:00     ` Steve Tynor
1996-04-08  0:00       ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-04-09  0:00         ` Matt Kennel
1996-04-04  0:00     ` Dominique Colnet
1996-04-08  0:00     ` Matt Kennel
1996-04-09  0:00       ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-04-09  0:00     ` Robert C. Martin
1996-04-10  0:00     ` J. Kanze
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