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From: bobduff@world.std.com (Robert A Duff)
Subject: Re: Side-effect arithmetic again [was: Ada ... in embedded systems]
Date: 1996/03/20
Date: 1996-03-20T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <DoJpJ7.I4I@world.std.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: EACHUS.96Mar19195517@spectre.mitre.org

In article <EACHUS.96Mar19195517@spectre.mitre.org>,
Robert I. Eachus <eachus@spectre.mitre.org> wrote:
>and decrements what you really want is:
>
>    Inc(Direction);

Yeah, but I don't really want to have write a generic instantiation just
for this silly little thing.  I like the fact that you can do this
concisely in C, but if you make me write an instantiation, I'll say,
forget it, it's not worth the trouble, I'll just spell it out as
"X := X + 1;"

Nobody commented on my derived type idea, which I sometimes use in my
own code.

>    And the code for that is fairly trival.  I may accept John Volan's
>challenge and post a proposed package tomorrow.  But I don't think it
>needs to be standardized.   (The issue I want to think about overnight
>is whether the generic formal should be "is range <>" or "is (<>)".

range <>, IMHO.

>    I already know that I want to rewrite the package to:
>
>    procedure Inc(Object: in out Formal_Type);
>    procedure Inc(Object: in out Formal_Type; By: in Integer);
>    function Inc(Value: in Formal_Type) return Formal_Type;
>    function Inc(Value: in Formal_Type; By: in Integer) return Formal_Type;
>    
>    Since you want the one parameter forms to inline right.

Heh?  Not sure what you mean -- the defaulted-parameter version should
inline just fine, shouldn't it?

Why declare functions?  Ada already *has* a perfectly readable
functional version -- just say "X + 1".  The point of the procedure
versions is to avoid writing X twice (where X is more complex than a
simple variable name), but there's no such rationale for the functions.

Historical note: An early version of Ada 9X made this sort of thing
pretty painless:

    procedure Incr(X: in out Root_Integer'Class);

Declare that *once*, and you can say "Incr(X);" for X of any integer
type.  No instantiations necessary, no need to derive from a "special"
integer type.

In Ada 95, however, Root_Integer is a name that no user may utter
(reminds me of the name of God in some parts of the Bible), and 'Class
is not allowed for untagged types.

- Bob




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     [not found]   ` <dewar.823962356@schonberg>
1996-02-17  0:00     ` Ada is almost useless in embedded systems Tore Joergensen
1996-02-17  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1996-02-19  0:00       ` Keith Thompson
1996-02-19  0:00         ` John McCabe
1996-02-21  0:00           ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-02-21  0:00             ` Norman H. Cohen
     [not found] ` <824056183.18993@assen.demon.co.uk>
     [not found]   ` <311E924E.74CE@escmail.orl.mmc.com>
1996-02-17  0:00     ` Ada is great for embedded systems (was Ada is almost useless in embedded systems) Ken & Virginia Garlington
     [not found]   ` <4fnqpm$3nh@news.sanders.lockheed.com>
1996-02-19  0:00     ` Ada is almost useless in embedded systems AdaWorks
1996-02-21  0:00       ` Hugh Dunne
1996-02-21  0:00       ` Ken Garlington
     [not found]   ` <4fnp37$nj1@theopolis.orl.mmc.com>
1996-02-22  0:00     ` Alan Brain
1996-02-19  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-02-19  0:00 ` R.A.L Williams
1996-02-21  0:00   ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-02-19  0:00 ` AdaWorks
1996-02-21  0:00   ` Ken Garlington
1996-02-23  0:00     ` AdaWorks
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     [not found]       ` <JSA.96Feb13133713@organon.com>
     [not found]         ` <824332550.2485@assen.demon.co.uk>
1996-02-17  0:00           ` Ken & Virginia Garlington
1996-02-17  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1996-02-18  0:00               ` John McCabe
1996-02-18  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-02-19  0:00                   ` John McCabe
     [not found]         ` <824259217.26321@assen.demon.co.uk>
1996-02-17  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1996-02-18  0:00             ` John McCabe
1996-02-18  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1996-02-19  0:00                 ` John McCabe
1996-02-20  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1996-02-21  0:00                   ` Fergus Henderson
     [not found]       ` <4fs7ml$cf1@rational.rational.com>
1996-02-26  0:00         ` Ada 83 " Alan Brain
1996-02-26  0:00 ` Ada is almost useless " R.A.L Williams
     [not found]   ` <4h3q56$1vk@goanna.cs.rmit.EDU.AU>
     [not found]     ` <dewar.825635955@schonberg>
     [not found]       ` <826571250.140@assen.demon.co.uk>
     [not found]         ` <dewar.826634800@schonberg>
1996-03-21  0:00           ` John McCabe
1996-03-23  0:00             ` Side-effect arithmetic again [was: Ada ... in embedded systems] John G. Volan
1996-03-23  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-25  0:00                 ` Tucker Taft
1996-03-25  0:00                   ` Robert A Duff
1996-03-25  0:00                   ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-03-26  0:00               ` John G. Volan
1996-03-26  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-29  0:00                   ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-03-26  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1996-03-26  0:00                   ` Tore Joergensen
1996-03-27  0:00                     ` John G. Volan
1996-03-27  0:00                     ` John G. Volan
1996-03-28  0:00                       ` Tucker Taft
1996-03-28  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-29  0:00                           ` Tucker Taft
1996-03-29  0:00                             ` Tucker Taft
1996-03-27  0:00                     ` John G. Volan
1996-03-29  0:00                       ` Robert A Duff
1996-03-30  0:00                         ` John G. Volan
1996-03-31  0:00                           ` AdaWorks
1996-04-01  0:00                           ` Robert A Duff
1996-03-30  0:00                         ` John G. Volan
     [not found] ` <RALW.96Feb28100925@vulcan.gmrc.gecm.com>
1996-03-15  0:00   ` Ada is almost useless in embedded systems Robert I. Eachus
     [not found]     ` <dirk.827148504@demokrit>
1996-03-18  0:00       ` David Weller
1996-03-18  0:00     ` Alan Brain
     [not found]       ` <4ik5bm$ogg@dayuc.dayton.saic.com>
1996-03-18  0:00         ` Side-effect arithmetic again [was: Ada ... in embedded systems] Robert Dewar
1996-03-19  0:00           ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-03-19  0:00           ` Jay Martin
1996-03-21  0:00             ` Robert I. Eachus
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1996-03-15  0:00                     ` Bug or Limitation? (was: Ada is almost useless in embedded systems) Robert Dewar
1996-03-16  0:00                       ` Ted Dennison
1996-03-20  0:00                         ` Side-effect arithmetic again [was: Ada ... in embedded systems] Robert I. Eachus
1996-03-20  0:00                           ` Robert A Duff [this message]
1996-03-21  0:00                             ` Peter Hermann
1996-03-21  0:00                               ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-25  0:00                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-03-28  0:00                               ` Mats Weber
1996-03-29  0:00                                 ` John G. Volan
1996-03-20  0:00                           ` John G. Volan
1996-03-22  0:00                             ` Alan Brain
1996-03-21  0:00                           ` Geert Bosch
1996-03-26  0:00                           ` Mats Weber
1996-03-16  0:00 ` Ada is almost useless in embedded systems Kevin Dalley
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