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From: donh@syd.csa.com.au (Don Harrison)
Subject: Re: Real OO
Date: 1996/03/15
Date: 1996-03-15T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <DoArzG.7v1@assip.csasyd.oz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 4i455s$ijq@watnews1.watson.ibm.com

Norman H. Cohen) writes:

:In article <Do3F1K.4xG@assip.csasyd.oz>, donh@syd.csa.com.au (Don Harrison) writes: 
:
:|> Notice what is happening here. Now that Person_Type is distinct, it now becomes
:|> more reusable than it was when it was co-encapsulated. By generalising, you have
:|> have increased reusability. If you take the process a step further and separate
:|> Pairing_Type into a distinct abstraction (because it relates to other domains than
:|> family trees), you increase reusability further. If you keep on going, you end up
:|> with a pure OO model of the problem domain in which reusability has been maximised.
:|> Although the software still does the same job, it is much more reusable with this
:|> structure.
:
:I wish I could remember the author of this quote:  "Every problem is a
:special case of some more general problem, and we usually discover this
:fact much too soon for our own good."
:
:One may write many different applications all of which have a class named
:Person, but these classes may have little or nothing in common.  Even if
:they all share a Name attribute, it may be more sensible to define a new
:class from scratch each time than to burden each application with a
:Person class general enough to be shared by all of them.  Reusability
:pays off for large chunks of software, but the payoff does not scale down
:to microscopic fragments.

Not so sure about that. A good example is that of the basic types of INTEGER and
REAL. In Eiffel, these are explicitly defined as classes offering operations 
such as '+', '-', '*', '/' (they actually inherit these from other classes) 
which may be inherited by subtypes such as VELOCITY, DISTANCE etc. which might
apply range and other constraints.

Clearly, the heavy reuse of these 'micro' classes carries the benefit of their
definition at the micro level through to all higher levels.

Although such basic types are not explicitly defined as classes in Ada, they
are effectively classes because their features are 'inherited' through subtyping
and derivation. You wouldn't want to define '+' for every arithmetic 
abstraction.

Maybe, the potential for reuse should be the determining factor. Perhaps, if it 
is plain that a component of an abstraction will never be needed in it's own 
right (how can you know), then it may be acceptable not to separate it. However, 
the potential for sloppy design is obvious - developers would tend to take the 
expedient path of rarely or never anticipating long term reuse.

:I am fully sympathetic with trying to anticipate other uses for the
:software components we are building, and trying to make them general
:enough to be reused, but generality usually comes at the expense of
:efficiency and simplicity, so it can be carried too far.  Sometimes there
:is a specific problem, such as the recording of a family tree, to be
:solved, and the most economical choice is just to go ahead and solve the
:problem at hand rather than a broader class of problems that may never
:arise.

Certainly, in the short term.

:True, ignoring reuse can lead to wasteful duplication of effort and more
:diffcult and expensive maintenance, but blindly repeating the mantra of
:reusability can lead to absurd choices.

I firmly believe (but have no concrete evidence to back it up) that development 
of software characterised by a consistent focus on reuse (by inheritance or 
composition), will save time within the life of a project and deliver a better 
quality product.

Regretably, many managers fail to recognise this fact and focus too much on 
short term expediency to the detriment of their staff and clients. 

:--
:Norman H. Cohen    ncohen@watson.ibm.com

Don.









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     [not found] ` <Do3F1K.4xG@assip.csasyd.oz>
     [not found]   ` <4i455s$ijq@watnews1.watson.ibm.com>
1996-03-15  0:00     ` Don Harrison [this message]
     [not found]       ` <DoBH80.9u9@world.std.com>
1996-03-15  0:00         ` Real OO Richard Pitre
1996-03-15  0:00         ` Mark A Biggar
1996-03-16  0:00     ` Des  Kenny
     [not found] <JSA.96Mar13143956@organon.com>
1996-03-15  0:00 ` Don Harrison
     [not found] <4id031$cf9@dayuc.dayton.saic.com>
1996-03-18  0:00 ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-03-18  0:00   ` The Right Reverend Colin James III
1996-03-19  0:00     ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-03-21  0:00       ` Don Harrison
1996-03-20  0:00 ` Norman Cohen giving IBM a bad name The Right Reverend Colin James III
1996-03-20  0:00   ` Real OO Dale Stanbrough
1996-03-21  0:00     ` Richard Pitre
1996-03-20  0:00   ` Colin James III giving humans a bad name (was Re: Norman Cohen giving IBM a bad name) Mark R Okern - F95
1996-03-20  0:00     ` Real OO John G. Volan
1996-03-21  0:00       ` Scott Leschke
1996-03-21  0:00         ` Robert A Duff
1996-03-21  0:00         ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-03-22  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1996-03-20  0:00 ` Don Harrison
1996-03-22  0:00 ` Don Harrison
1996-03-22  0:00   ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-03-26  0:00     ` Don Harrison
1996-03-26  0:00       ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-03-29  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1996-03-27  0:00       ` Thomas Beale
1996-03-28  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1996-03-22  0:00   ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-03-27  0:00     ` Don Harrison
1996-03-27  0:00       ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-03-28  0:00         ` Jacob Gore
1996-04-04  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1996-04-04  0:00           ` Laurent Guerby
1996-04-04  0:00           ` Robb Nebbe
1996-04-04  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1996-04-04  0:00           ` Tucker Taft
1996-04-04  0:00             ` Tucker Taft
1996-04-12  0:00               ` Don Harrison
1996-04-12  0:00             ` Don Harrison
1996-04-15  0:00               ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-04-19  0:00                 ` Don Harrison
1996-04-19  0:00                   ` Matt Kennel
1996-04-20  0:00                     ` Bob Hathaway
1996-04-23  0:00                     ` Don Harrison
1996-03-23  0:00   ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-03-26  0:00     ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-04-04  0:00       ` Don Harrison
1996-04-04  0:00         ` Jon S Anthony
1996-04-12  0:00           ` Don Harrison
1996-04-17  0:00             ` Jon S Anthony
1996-04-19  0:00               ` Don Harrison
1996-04-19  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-04-23  0:00                   ` Don Harrison
1996-04-24  0:00                     ` Don Harrison
1996-04-29  0:00                     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-04-30  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-30  0:00                         ` Robert A Duff
1996-04-30  0:00                           ` Amit Patel
1996-04-30  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1996-05-01  0:00                             ` Richard Bielak
1996-05-01  0:00                           ` Adam Beneschan
1996-05-02  0:00                             ` Ell
1996-04-30  0:00                         ` Amit Patel
1996-04-30  0:00                           ` Robert A Duff
1996-05-07  0:00                             ` Amit Patel
1996-05-01  0:00                           ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-05-01  0:00                             ` Colin James III (The Rt Rev'd)
1996-05-07  0:00                             ` Amit Patel
1996-05-01  0:00                         ` Don Harrison
1996-05-01  0:00                           ` David Hopwood
1996-05-03  0:00                             ` Don Harrison
1996-05-01  0:00                           ` Don Harrison
1996-05-02  0:00                             ` Robert A Duff
1996-05-03  0:00                               ` Don Harrison
1996-05-03  0:00                                 ` Robert A Duff
1996-05-06  0:00                                   ` Don Harrison
1996-05-06  0:00                                     ` Robb Nebbe
1996-05-06  0:00                                     ` Robert A Duff
1996-05-02  0:00                           ` Robert A Duff
1996-05-03  0:00                             ` Don Harrison
1996-05-10  0:00                             ` Don Harrison
1996-05-01  0:00                         ` AdaWorks
1996-05-08  0:00                         ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-05-03  0:00                       ` Don Harrison
1996-05-03  0:00                         ` Dave Fitch
1996-05-07  0:00                         ` Jon S Anthony
1996-04-30  0:00                     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-05-01  0:00                       ` Matt Kennel
1996-05-03  0:00                         ` Don Harrison
1996-05-02  0:00                       ` Don Harrison
1996-05-02  0:00                         ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-05-02  0:00                         ` Jon S Anthony
1996-05-03  0:00                           ` Don Harrison
1996-05-06  0:00                             ` Jon S Anthony
1996-05-06  0:00                         ` Jon S Anthony
1996-05-06  0:00                       ` Don Harrison
1996-05-06  0:00                         ` Don Harrison
1996-05-07  0:00                         ` Jon S Anthony
1996-05-13  0:00                           ` Don Harrison
1996-05-09  0:00                         ` Jon S Anthony
1996-04-30  0:00                     ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-04-24  0:00                 ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-05-01  0:00                   ` Matt Kennel
1996-05-02  0:00                     ` Don Harrison
1996-05-07  0:00                   ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-05-08  0:00                   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-05-09  0:00                   ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-04-30  0:00                 ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-05-08  0:00                   ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-05-10  0:00                   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-04-30  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-05-03  0:00                   ` Don Harrison
1996-05-07  0:00                     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-05-02  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-05-06  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-04-08  0:00         ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-04-08  0:00           ` Robert A Duff
1996-04-09  0:00             ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-04-10  0:00           ` Don Harrison
1996-04-11  0:00           ` Jacob Gore
1996-04-12  0:00           ` Don Harrison
1996-04-12  0:00             ` Matt Kennel
1996-04-15  0:00               ` Don Harrison
1996-04-12  0:00             ` Jon S Anthony
1996-04-13  0:00               ` Robert A Duff
1996-04-16  0:00             ` Jon S Anthony
1996-04-12  0:00           ` Don Harrison
1996-04-12  0:00             ` Jacob Gore
1996-04-16  0:00               ` Don Harrison
1996-04-09  0:00         ` Valery CROIZIER
1996-04-09  0:00         ` Jon S Anthony
1996-04-09  0:00       ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-05-02  0:00       ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-05-05  0:00         ` Robert A Duff
1996-05-05  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1996-05-06  0:00         ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-05-07  0:00           ` Don Harrison
1996-05-07  0:00             ` Jon S Anthony
1996-05-08  0:00               ` Don Harrison
1996-05-08  0:00             ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-05-08  0:00               ` Robert A Duff
1996-05-10  0:00                 ` Matt Kennel
1996-05-10  0:00                   ` Robert A Duff
1996-05-14  0:00                     ` Matt Kennel
1996-05-15  0:00                       ` Robert A Duff
1996-05-07  0:00         ` Amit Patel
1996-05-07  0:00           ` The Right Reverend Colin James III
1996-05-08  0:00           ` Don Harrison
1996-05-08  0:00             ` Juergen Schlegelmilch
     [not found]               ` <Dr4538.D27@assip.csasyd.oz>
1996-05-09  0:00                 ` Richard Riehle
1996-05-10  0:00                   ` Tucker Taft
1996-05-13  0:00                     ` Don Harrison
1996-05-13  0:00                       ` Tucker Taft
1996-05-14  0:00                         ` Don Harrison
1996-05-14  0:00                           ` Robert A Duff
1996-05-14  0:00                           ` Steve Tynor
1996-05-14  0:00                             ` Robert A Duff
1996-05-15  0:00                             ` Don Harrison
1996-05-15  0:00                           ` Steve Tynor
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1996-05-16  0:00                           ` James McKim
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1996-05-22  0:00                                 ` Matt Kennel
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1996-05-14  0:00                         ` Roger Browne
1996-05-15  0:00                         ` Alexander Kjeldaas
1996-05-15  0:00                         ` Steve Tynor
1996-05-19  0:00                         ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-05-14  0:00                   ` James McKim
1996-05-15  0:00                     ` Juergen Schlegelmilch
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1996-05-20  0:00               ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-05-07  0:00       ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-05-09  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1996-05-09  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1996-05-09  0:00           ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-03-28  0:00   ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-03-29  0:00     ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-03-30  0:00       ` John G. Volan
1996-03-26  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-03-29  0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-04-04  0:00   ` Don Harrison
1996-04-04  0:00     ` Dominique Colnet
1996-04-04  0:00     ` Steve Tynor
1996-04-08  0:00       ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-04-09  0:00         ` Matt Kennel
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1996-04-09  0:00       ` Norman H. Cohen
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