From: Bill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Dereferencing and style guides
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 09:07:26 +0100
Date: 2013-10-11T09:07:26+01:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CE7D704E.38619%yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: wcchaco3fne.fsf@shell01.TheWorld.com
On 10/10/2013 23:49, in article wcchaco3fne.fsf@shell01.TheWorld.com,
"Robert A Duff" <bobduff@shell01.TheWorld.com> wrote:
> Adam Beneschan <adambeneschan@aol.com> writes:
>
>> I can imagine that Ada might have adopted the same syntax, if only
>> those old keypunch machines had a ^ character on them.
>
> I thought they did. Except it looked like an up-arrow.
>
> Anyway, the solution to keyboards with missing characters
> is clear: see J.2. 7-bit ASCII was standard at the time.
>
>> On the other hand, I'm not sure about the idea that "making things
>> just one character" equates to readability. If that were true, APL
>> would be the most readable language around. And C would be second.
>
> Well, I didn't say everything should be one character. I said
> the dereference operator should be one character. So I'd say
> APL is a bit of a straw man here. I'm quite happy to say
> "end if;" where C says "}".
>
> In Ada, dereference is usually zero characters, so I'm actually arguing
> for MORE verbosity! Just a little more.
Can I make the contrary case?
Given that we know that P is a pointer, P.f or P(i) can only reasonably be
interpreted as dereferencing P and selecting a component from the result; so
I do not see that P^.f or P^(i) improves comprehensibility to any
significant degree.
Given that we do not know that P is a pointer, P.f or P(i) is essentially
the same cognitive burden as R.f or A(i); from the uniform referent point of
view this is an advantage. It fails to be, only if the dereference fails,
and we know that that should not happen in Ada 8-). Even if it does, the
extra effort of perceiving the semantics correctly is trivial.
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Bill Findlay
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Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-09-30 6:35 Dereferencing and style guides Natasha Kerensikova
2013-09-30 7:13 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-09-30 12:51 ` Robert A Duff
2013-09-30 16:49 ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-09-30 18:18 ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-10-03 19:20 ` Robert A Duff
2013-10-04 13:22 ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-10-04 13:25 ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-10-07 16:10 ` Eryndlia Mavourneen
2013-10-08 0:48 ` Robert A Duff
2013-10-10 7:35 ` Stefan.Lucks
2013-10-10 14:48 ` Adam Beneschan
2013-10-10 22:49 ` Robert A Duff
2013-10-11 8:07 ` Bill Findlay [this message]
2013-10-11 12:52 ` Robert A Duff
2013-10-11 13:02 ` G.B.
2013-10-11 13:19 ` Bill Findlay
2013-10-19 2:40 ` Randy Brukardt
2013-10-19 2:46 ` Randy Brukardt
2013-10-19 2:36 ` Randy Brukardt
2013-09-30 13:53 ` Eryndlia Mavourneen
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