From: att!att-out!cbnewsl!willett@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (david.c.willett)
Subject: In Defense of the Mandate
Date: 4 Jun 93 14:10:16 GMT [thread overview]
Message-ID: <C83opB.7s0@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> (raw)
D.C. Willett said:
DCW: I claim that an arbitrary embedded system (J) written in Ada is
DCW:(on average) easier for an independent programming team to understand and
DCW:subsequently enhance than one written in any previous language. Thus,
DCW:it is easier for independent programming teams to create variants of that
DCW:system (J', J'', J'''.....) than it would be if J were written in some olde
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DCW:language. That capability is needed if we have to fight protracted
DCW:conflicts like World War II, Korea, or VietNam.
To which Greg Aharonian responded:
GA>Unfortunately, a growing number of real soldiers disagree with you, and
GA>are using C/C++. For example, there was that Army group involved with
GA>JINTACCS that developed a fielded communications system in C++ using Motif.
GA>Or people trhoughout the Air Force using C++ for database development.
GA>And if you saw Ralph Craft's comment in Government Computer News, you
GA>will understand that this use of C/C++ is common by people in the Armed
GA>Services.
Apples vs. oranges, Greg. The database example is a support
system, not an embedded one. I don't know about the communications system,
but it would not surprise me if that was a one-of-a-kind prototype. It
makes sense for the military to use COTS tools/product where such use doesn't
compromise combat readiness or reproduceability. The Mandate makes sense
where use of COTS would.
GA>
GA>What is hurt Ada is that the DoD has refused to fund a truly honest
GA>assessment of the microeconomics of defense software development vis-a-vis
GA>Ada and C/C++. The old Mosemann critiques were a joke, the new ones
GA>probably not that much better, and people will continue to make decisions
GA>based on meaningless data.
I believe that economics is irrelevant. We are talking about the
mission of DoD, which is to kill the bad guys.
GA>
GA>Also, given Bosnia, the protracted conflicts arguments is kind of moot.
History's jury is still out on this one. The notion that the lack
of a competing superpower renders the protracted conflict passe remains
unproven. Precedents otherwise include the French in VietNam, the Israeli
experience, and North/South Korea. I'll conceed that with the U.S. lead
in technology, a protracted conflict is not likely in the next decade,
but that doesn't mean it's safe to dismantle the infrastructure required to
support one.
--
Dave Willett AT&T Federal Systems Advanced Technologies
If God had wanted us to go around without any clothes, we all would have
been born naked!....er...ahh... Let me rephrase that.
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