From: "(see below)" <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Avoiding side effects and other dogma.
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:48:12 +0100
Date: 2008-10-14T14:48:12+01:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <C51A61AC.FCA6A%yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: u8wsrwv9j.fsf_-_@no.email.thanks.invalid
On 14/10/2008 07:22, in article u8wsrwv9j.fsf_-_@no.email.thanks.invalid,
"Anders Wirzenius" <anders@no.email.thanks.invalid> wrote:
> "(see below)" <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> writes:
...
>> What is silly is tying yourself in knots to avoid a perfectly sensible way
>> of doing something, because it is abominated by the adherents of a dogma.
>>
>> The trouble is that bright people (Dijkstra, Hoare, Dahl, etc) offer
>> recommendations for general approaches, to be applied with common sense; but
>> then their much dimmer followers turn the recommendations into religions.
>>
>> I encountered this a lot as a teacher. I remember giving a lecture on memory
>> management techniques and being confronted at the end by one a student who
>> demanded that I should say which was "the best". When I explained it was not
>> possible to do that, he insisted that I really knew which was the best and
>> was keeping the secret to myself.
>>
>> Too many software practitioners (among many others) have that mindset.
>
> As a teacher you may then be familiar with the difference between
> "wanting to learn" and "programming for production". To me it is a
> good technique to "strive for perfection" if you use that as a
> tool for learning something about a subject.
> You may write a program using a goto whenever you have a need for
> jumping somewhere and after that write another version of the
> program without a single goto. And then write a third version
> adopting yet another dogma. The three versions are useless once
> you have made up your mind about the consequences of adopting
> different principles. You throw those versions in the recycle bin
> and start to write the "common sense" adopted program
> version. And keep that.
That's fine: it directly contradicts the idea that there is precisely one
"correct" way to do everything, and that pernicious idea is what I condemn.
--
Bill Findlay
<surname><forename> chez blueyonder.co.uk
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Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-09-30 5:50 Avoiding side effects Anders Wirzenius
2008-09-30 7:48 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2008-09-30 9:20 ` Anders Wirzenius
2008-09-30 11:36 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2008-09-30 12:43 ` Anders Wirzenius
2008-09-30 10:42 ` Ludovic Brenta
2008-09-30 11:12 ` Anders Wirzenius
2008-10-02 12:56 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2008-10-06 12:09 ` Anders Wirzenius
2008-10-07 11:08 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2008-10-07 14:24 ` (see below)
2008-10-07 14:47 ` Anders Wirzenius
2008-10-07 14:51 ` (see below)
2008-10-08 5:16 ` Anders Wirzenius
2008-10-08 7:35 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-10-08 15:32 ` (see below)
2008-10-13 12:27 ` Anders Wirzenius
2008-10-13 13:21 ` Marco
2008-10-13 18:55 ` (see below)
2008-10-14 7:30 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-10-14 11:44 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-10-13 18:49 ` (see below)
2008-10-13 21:22 ` Adam Beneschan
2008-10-13 21:53 ` (see below)
2008-10-14 6:17 ` mockturtle
2008-10-14 14:58 ` Adam Beneschan
2008-10-14 6:22 ` Avoiding side effects and other dogma Anders Wirzenius
2008-10-14 13:48 ` (see below) [this message]
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