From: "(see below)" <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Ada for 1st year students
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:20:12 +0100
Date: 2008-10-11T17:20:12+01:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <C51690CC.FC111%yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: bc9af86b-de74-4ee8-bbd8-942154036def@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com
On 11/10/2008 13:54, in article
bc9af86b-de74-4ee8-bbd8-942154036def@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com, "John
McCormick" <mccormick@cs.uni.edu> wrote:
> I've been teaching the first year courses since 1978 and have been
> using Ada in them since 1990. I've written Ada textbooks for these
> courses. I have some strong opinions in these matters.
>
...
>
> For the first course (CS1), I feel strongly that the textbook should
> emphasize top down design through procedural abstraction. Beginners
> need to learn the fundamental control structures (decision, iteration,
> and subprogram) and fundamental data structures (the Ada type
> system). I feel that it is important that they see sizable examples
> in the form of case studies.
>
> I am VERY wary of teaching GUI programming to beginners. They put
> enormous amounts of time into playing with fonts, colors, etc at the
> expense of learning basic programming. Too many students come out of
> GUI based CS1 courses with no ability to write decent if and loop
> statements. But they sure can draw pretty windows. :-) I prefer to
> keep the I/O as basic as possible and concentrate on the fundamentals
> of algorithm design and implementation.
...
>
> Note the emphasis on problem solving in each of these titles. Don't
> go by the US Amazon for the prices. I know that my publisher prices
> my books lower in Spain, so they probably do the same in Portugal.
> Check with your book store. There is also a decent supply of used
> copies available.
>
> I like to schedule what CS educators call "closed labs". These are
> like the labs you had in your chemistry and physics courses. In the
> lab, students get practice with the concepts discussed in lecture.
> They solve small problems with an instructor nearby to assist.
> Research at the University of Texas at Austin indicates positive
> results with closed labs. I give my students a Pre-Lab exercise to
> complete before the lab session, the In-Lab exercise, and then a Post-
> Lab exercise (programming assignment) that gives them a more
> challenging problem to solve. I would be happy to share these
> laboratory materials. Of course, they are closely tied to my textbook
>
> In terms of tools, you are on the right track with GNAT through the
> GAP program. I agree with others that GPS is too much for beginners.
> My favorite IDE, AdaGIDE, has been mentioned. It is about as basic as
> you can get.
...
I headed a team that introduced Ada 95 as the 1st- and 2nd-years' foundation
language at Glasgow University CS Department in 1996. That ran very well
indeed for 10 years. In fact, it was by far the most successful course I had
anything to do with, in nearly 30 years of teaching programming.
The course we delivered followed the recommendations above very closely
indeed, and I strongly agree with virtually everything John has said.
(Ada has now been replaced by Python "because it is more fun". I'm glad I
retired before that happened, as I would not be able to disguise my contempt
for the guilty parties.)
--
Bill Findlay
<surname><forename> chez blueyonder.co.uk
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2008-10-09 16:06 Ada for 1st year students amado.alves
2008-10-09 16:44 ` Vadim Godunko
2008-10-09 17:00 ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-10-09 18:30 ` amado.alves
2008-11-01 12:13 ` Mike H
2008-10-09 18:25 ` amado.alves
2008-10-09 19:09 ` Vadim Godunko
2008-10-09 19:37 ` amado.alves
2008-10-09 16:47 ` mockturtle
2008-10-09 17:06 ` Ludovic Brenta
2008-10-09 19:36 ` Simon Wright
2008-10-14 4:32 ` Randy Brukardt
2008-10-14 10:58 ` amado.alves
2008-10-09 17:27 ` Robert A Duff
2008-10-09 18:35 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2008-10-09 19:36 ` amado.alves
2008-10-09 19:42 ` amado.alves
2008-10-09 20:05 ` ahab
2008-10-09 21:01 ` Pascal Obry
2008-10-09 21:13 ` Ed Falis
2008-10-09 23:14 ` amado.alves
2008-10-10 0:49 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
[not found] ` <D9OdnXWk_MQQOXPVnZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@earthlink.com>
2008-10-10 9:54 ` amado.alves
2008-10-10 17:44 ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-10-15 10:40 ` amado.alves
2008-10-15 11:00 ` christoph.grein
2008-10-15 11:14 ` amado.alves
2008-10-15 11:50 ` christoph.grein
2008-10-15 17:34 ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-10-15 22:30 ` amado.alves
2008-10-16 7:45 ` christoph.grein
2008-10-16 9:12 ` amado.alves
2008-10-16 10:15 ` christoph.grein
2008-10-16 11:17 ` Niklas Holsti
2008-10-16 11:35 ` amado.alves
2008-10-16 19:24 ` sjw
2008-10-17 12:00 ` amado.alves
2008-10-16 16:26 ` Pascal Obry
2008-10-16 18:15 ` amado.alves
2008-10-16 19:14 ` sjw
2008-10-17 11:59 ` amado.alves
2008-10-16 9:42 ` Common Configuration Settings (was: Ada for 1st year students) Georg Bauhaus
2008-10-16 10:24 ` christoph.grein
2008-10-16 11:20 ` Common Configuration Settings Georg Bauhaus
2008-10-16 11:37 ` amado.alves
2008-10-15 13:57 ` Ada for 1st year students Pascal Obry
2008-10-15 15:20 ` amado.alves
2008-10-15 12:51 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-10-15 15:34 ` amado.alves
2008-10-25 19:06 ` Marco
2008-10-15 11:08 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2008-10-15 15:19 ` amado.alves
2008-10-10 0:09 ` Gene
2008-10-10 1:15 ` Jeffrey Creem
2008-10-10 10:04 ` amado.alves
2008-10-11 0:15 ` Jeffrey Creem
2008-10-11 13:46 ` amado.alves
2008-10-11 14:46 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-10-11 20:43 ` amado.alves
2008-10-11 20:57 ` amado.alves
2008-10-11 23:37 ` Mike H
2008-10-12 1:06 ` (see below)
[not found] ` <LIydnQ3Px5JC1WzVnZ2dnUVZ_h2dnZ2d@earthlink.com>
2008-10-12 1:37 ` Gary Scott
2008-11-01 12:09 ` Mike H
2008-10-11 12:54 ` John McCormick
2008-10-11 13:35 ` amado.alves
2008-10-13 23:17 ` Gene
2008-10-11 14:08 ` amado.alves
2008-10-13 12:51 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-10-13 20:07 ` amado.alves
2008-10-14 11:56 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-10-11 14:12 ` amado.alves
2008-10-11 16:20 ` (see below) [this message]
2008-10-12 13:00 ` John McCormick
2008-10-12 14:53 ` amado.alves
2008-10-12 15:31 ` Gary Scott
2008-10-12 16:19 ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-10-13 13:06 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-10-13 15:29 ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-10-13 16:01 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-10-14 14:17 ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-10-13 20:13 ` amado.alves
2008-10-12 14:56 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-10-13 13:10 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-10-13 14:08 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-10-13 14:26 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-10-13 14:46 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-10-14 12:03 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-10-14 12:25 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-10-13 15:52 ` John McCormick
2008-10-11 17:44 ` Simon Wright
2008-10-13 14:22 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-10-13 20:27 ` amado.alves
2008-10-19 20:49 ` Michael Feldman
2008-10-21 11:16 ` amado.alves
2008-10-22 0:41 ` John McCormick
2008-10-22 8:50 ` amado.alves
2008-10-22 9:26 ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-10-22 11:07 ` amado.alves
2008-10-22 18:02 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2008-10-22 19:26 ` Adam Beneschan
2008-10-22 20:31 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2008-11-04 15:31 ` amado.alves
2008-11-04 18:16 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-11-05 15:30 ` John McCormick
2008-11-12 12:23 ` amado.alves
2008-10-22 18:24 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2008-10-22 13:38 ` mcollado
2008-10-21 11:30 ` amado.alves
2008-10-21 12:34 ` Peter Hermann
2008-10-21 16:35 ` amado.alves
2008-10-22 13:40 ` Larry A Barowski
2008-10-22 13:33 ` Larry A Barowski
2008-10-22 14:11 ` Britt Snodgrass
2008-10-22 21:48 ` Larry A Barowski
2008-10-25 19:36 ` Marco
2008-10-28 0:49 ` lbarowski
2008-10-28 11:31 ` lbarowski
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