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From: "(see below)" <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Ada for 1st year students
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:20:12 +0100
Date: 2008-10-11T17:20:12+01:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <C51690CC.FC111%yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: bc9af86b-de74-4ee8-bbd8-942154036def@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com

On 11/10/2008 13:54, in article
bc9af86b-de74-4ee8-bbd8-942154036def@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com, "John
McCormick" <mccormick@cs.uni.edu> wrote:

> I've been teaching the first year courses since 1978 and have been
> using Ada in them since 1990.  I've written Ada textbooks for these
> courses.  I have some strong opinions in these matters.
> 
...
> 
> For the first course (CS1), I feel strongly that the textbook should
> emphasize top down design through procedural abstraction.  Beginners
> need to learn the fundamental control structures (decision, iteration,
> and subprogram) and fundamental data structures (the Ada type
> system).  I feel that it is important that they see sizable examples
> in the form of case studies.
> 
> I am VERY wary of teaching GUI programming to beginners.  They put
> enormous amounts of time into playing with fonts, colors, etc at the
> expense of learning basic programming.  Too many students come out of
> GUI based CS1 courses with no ability to write decent if and loop
> statements.  But they sure can draw pretty windows. :-) I prefer to
> keep the I/O as basic as possible and concentrate on the fundamentals
> of algorithm design and implementation.
 ...
> 
> Note the emphasis on problem solving in each of these titles.  Don't
> go by the US Amazon for the prices.  I know that my publisher prices
> my books lower in Spain, so they probably do the same in Portugal.
> Check with your book store.  There is also a decent supply of used
> copies available.
> 
> I like to schedule what CS educators call "closed labs".  These are
> like the labs you had in your chemistry and physics courses.  In the
> lab, students get practice with the concepts discussed in lecture.
> They solve small problems with an instructor nearby to assist.
> Research at the University of Texas at Austin indicates positive
> results with closed labs.  I give my students a Pre-Lab exercise to
> complete before the lab session, the In-Lab exercise, and then a Post-
> Lab exercise (programming assignment) that gives them a more
> challenging problem to solve.  I would be happy to share these
> laboratory materials.  Of course, they are closely tied to my textbook
> 
> In terms of tools, you are on the right track with GNAT through the
> GAP program.  I agree with others that GPS is too much for beginners.
> My favorite IDE, AdaGIDE, has been mentioned.  It is about as basic as
> you can get.  
...

I headed a team that introduced Ada 95 as the 1st- and 2nd-years' foundation
language at Glasgow University CS Department in 1996. That ran very well
indeed for 10 years. In fact, it was by far the most successful course I had
anything to do with, in nearly 30 years of teaching programming.

The course we delivered followed the recommendations above very closely
indeed, and I strongly agree with virtually everything John has said.

(Ada has now been replaced by Python "because it is more fun".  I'm glad I
retired before that happened, as I would not be able to disguise my contempt
for the guilty parties.)

-- 
Bill Findlay
<surname><forename> chez blueyonder.co.uk





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2008-10-09 16:06 Ada for 1st year students amado.alves
2008-10-09 16:44 ` Vadim Godunko
2008-10-09 17:00   ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-10-09 18:30     ` amado.alves
2008-11-01 12:13       ` Mike H
2008-10-09 18:25   ` amado.alves
2008-10-09 19:09     ` Vadim Godunko
2008-10-09 19:37       ` amado.alves
2008-10-09 16:47 ` mockturtle
2008-10-09 17:06 ` Ludovic Brenta
2008-10-09 19:36   ` Simon Wright
2008-10-14  4:32   ` Randy Brukardt
2008-10-14 10:58     ` amado.alves
2008-10-09 17:27 ` Robert A Duff
2008-10-09 18:35 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2008-10-09 19:36   ` amado.alves
2008-10-09 19:42 ` amado.alves
2008-10-09 20:05   ` ahab
2008-10-09 21:01   ` Pascal Obry
2008-10-09 21:13     ` Ed Falis
2008-10-09 23:14       ` amado.alves
2008-10-10  0:49         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
     [not found]         ` <D9OdnXWk_MQQOXPVnZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@earthlink.com>
2008-10-10  9:54           ` amado.alves
2008-10-10 17:44             ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-10-15 10:40     ` amado.alves
2008-10-15 11:00       ` christoph.grein
2008-10-15 11:14         ` amado.alves
2008-10-15 11:50           ` christoph.grein
2008-10-15 17:34             ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-10-15 22:30               ` amado.alves
2008-10-16  7:45                 ` christoph.grein
2008-10-16  9:12                   ` amado.alves
2008-10-16 10:15                     ` christoph.grein
2008-10-16 11:17                       ` Niklas Holsti
2008-10-16 11:35                         ` amado.alves
2008-10-16 19:24                         ` sjw
2008-10-17 12:00                           ` amado.alves
2008-10-16 16:26                     ` Pascal Obry
2008-10-16 18:15                       ` amado.alves
2008-10-16 19:14                         ` sjw
2008-10-17 11:59                           ` amado.alves
2008-10-16  9:42                   ` Common Configuration Settings (was: Ada for 1st year students) Georg Bauhaus
2008-10-16 10:24                     ` christoph.grein
2008-10-16 11:20                       ` Common Configuration Settings Georg Bauhaus
2008-10-16 11:37                         ` amado.alves
2008-10-15 13:57           ` Ada for 1st year students Pascal Obry
2008-10-15 15:20             ` amado.alves
2008-10-15 12:51         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-10-15 15:34           ` amado.alves
2008-10-25 19:06             ` Marco
2008-10-15 11:08       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2008-10-15 15:19         ` amado.alves
2008-10-10  0:09 ` Gene
2008-10-10  1:15 ` Jeffrey Creem
2008-10-10 10:04   ` amado.alves
2008-10-11  0:15     ` Jeffrey Creem
2008-10-11 13:46       ` amado.alves
2008-10-11 14:46         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-10-11 20:43           ` amado.alves
2008-10-11 20:57             ` amado.alves
2008-10-11 23:37               ` Mike H
2008-10-12  1:06                 ` (see below)
     [not found]               ` <LIydnQ3Px5JC1WzVnZ2dnUVZ_h2dnZ2d@earthlink.com>
2008-10-12  1:37                 ` Gary Scott
2008-11-01 12:09               ` Mike H
2008-10-11 12:54     ` John McCormick
2008-10-11 13:35       ` amado.alves
2008-10-13 23:17         ` Gene
2008-10-11 14:08       ` amado.alves
2008-10-13 12:51         ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-10-13 20:07           ` amado.alves
2008-10-14 11:56             ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-10-11 14:12       ` amado.alves
2008-10-11 16:20       ` (see below) [this message]
2008-10-12 13:00         ` John McCormick
2008-10-12 14:53           ` amado.alves
2008-10-12 15:31             ` Gary Scott
2008-10-12 16:19               ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-10-13 13:06                 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-10-13 15:29                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-10-13 16:01                     ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-10-14 14:17                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-10-13 20:13                   ` amado.alves
2008-10-12 14:56           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-10-13 13:10             ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-10-13 14:08               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-10-13 14:26                 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-10-13 14:46                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-10-14 12:03                     ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-10-14 12:25                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-10-13 15:52             ` John McCormick
2008-10-11 17:44       ` Simon Wright
2008-10-13 14:22 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-10-13 20:27   ` amado.alves
2008-10-19 20:49 ` Michael Feldman
2008-10-21 11:16   ` amado.alves
2008-10-22  0:41     ` John McCormick
2008-10-22  8:50       ` amado.alves
2008-10-22  9:26         ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-10-22 11:07           ` amado.alves
2008-10-22 18:02           ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2008-10-22 19:26             ` Adam Beneschan
2008-10-22 20:31               ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2008-11-04 15:31             ` amado.alves
2008-11-04 18:16               ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-11-05 15:30               ` John McCormick
2008-11-12 12:23                 ` amado.alves
2008-10-22 18:24           ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2008-10-22 13:38         ` mcollado
2008-10-21 11:30   ` amado.alves
2008-10-21 12:34     ` Peter Hermann
2008-10-21 16:35       ` amado.alves
2008-10-22 13:40         ` Larry A Barowski
2008-10-22 13:33       ` Larry A Barowski
2008-10-22 14:11         ` Britt Snodgrass
2008-10-22 21:48           ` Larry A Barowski
2008-10-25 19:36         ` Marco
2008-10-28  0:49           ` lbarowski
2008-10-28 11:31           ` lbarowski
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