From: srctran@world.std.com (Gregory Aharonian)
Subject: Mike Feldman, meet Archie
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1993 15:08:55 GMT
Date: 1993-03-03T15:08:55+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <C3BJEx.5Gy@world.std.com> (raw)
Periodically, Mike Feldman posts a list of projects using Ada. By
itself, the list is interesting, I guess, but without any context (in
terms of use of other languages in projects, and comparisons by lines
of code, year of start and end, cost ,etc) it is hard to conclude much
from the list other than - Ada use exists. Since we all know Ada use
exists - what's the point.
Anyways, I decided, since I have nothing better to do, to come up with
my own list. My list is the distribution of Ada on public computer sites
around the world - a global form of a version of Mike's list. To prepare
this list, I issued an Archie query for the string "Ada". Archie is a
program available at most Internet sites that searches through a database
of all of the files publicly available over the Internet through anonymous
ftp. Periodically computers around the world have their directories swept
for information on such files, and all of this information is stored in
a central database, which can be searched with the Archie protocol. It is
a very valuable service, to be able to search many of the world's computers
easily and for free (and it also illustrates how far behind the world the
DoD is when it comes to software and information reuse - Archie itself
show how primitive ASSET and DSRO are - you guys ever hear about the Internet?)
What were the results of my query? First, keep in mind that for some
reason most xxx.yyy.MIL sites are not scannable with Archie - you will notice
no such sites in the list below. Thus the SIMTEL20 repository will not
show up here, as well as other .MIL sites with Ada codes and information.
Also, for some reason the SEI and AJPO sites don't show up here. However
as a measure of Ada presence in the non-Mandated world, these sites should
be excluded from any search. Also, I did not do the most comprehensive
Archie search, through which I could have picked up more sites. Thus,
while my search is not exhaustive, it probably is as exhaustive as
Mike's search.
What did I find? Not much. The majority of any such Ada references
on sites around the world were to copies of the Ada bindings to X-Windows,
and to the Adaed compiler. Beyond that, there were a few references to
Ada documents and Ada source code. Keep in mind that in my string search
for "Ada", I got more references to the "Adams Family" than I did for all
of the Ada-specific references (though putting Gomez in charging of Ada
policy does sound interesting).
Anyways, measures like this, help wanted ads, commercial reuse products,
actually licensed software, all show that Ada acceptance has been, is and
will be minimal in the non-Mandated world until someone (the DoD, compiler
vendors, or contractors) takes the responsibility of actively promoting
Ada. This Archie result is embarrassing, given the billions being spent
on Ada development projects. Embarrassing.
Gregory Aharonian
Source Translation & Optimization
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260518 Jan 8 15:23 Ada.Xlib.full_Ada.tar.Z
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260518 Jan 8 14:23 Ada.Xlib.full_Ada.tar.Z
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260518 Jan 12 09:56 Ada.Xlib.full_Ada.tar.Z
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2809229 Mar 14 1992 Adaed-1.11.0a+-pc.exe.tar.Z
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260518 Jan 8 09:23 Ada.Xlib.full_Ada.tar.Z
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Location: /pub/netnews/sys.sun/volume89/jul
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Source Translation & Optimiztion
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Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
1993-03-03 15:08 Gregory Aharonian [this message]
1993-03-03 16:36 ` Mike Feldman, meet Archie Scott McCoy
1993-03-03 23:03 ` Scott McCoy
1993-03-04 8:20 ` Benjamin Ketcham
1993-03-04 14:30 ` David Emery
1993-03-04 17:47 ` cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!eff
1993-03-04 19:54 ` David Emery
1993-03-05 16:18 ` Gregory Aharonian
1993-03-06 3:32 ` agate!howland.reston.ans.net!paladin.american.edu!darwin.sura.net!seas.gw
1993-03-08 13:24 ` Mark Priestley
1993-03-08 15:28 ` Michael Feldman
1993-03-09 11:22 ` Mark Priestley
1993-03-12 16:38 ` mjl-b
1993-03-04 16:03 ` C558172
1993-03-12 21:17 ` timothy shimeall
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