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From: Bill Findlay <yaldnifw@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Ada in Iraq
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:07:55 +0100
Date: 2003-04-23T19:07:55+01:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <BACC950B.2B6E%yaldnifw@blueyonder.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: bebbba07.0304230951.59468757@posting.google.com

On 23/4/03 18:51, in article
bebbba07.0304230951.59468757@posting.google.com, "Russ"
<18k11tm001@sneakemail.com> wrote:

> 
> I work for a US government lab that does extensive work in air traffic
> management (ATM). We will have major input into the future of ATM in
> the US. As some of you may recall, I have a problem with some of Ada's
> syntax, but I am nevertheless convinced that Ada is fundamentally
> solid and is the right choice for the kind of software we develop and
> will develop in the future.
> 
> Unfortunately, however, none of my colleagues is even willing to
> consider using Ada. It's considered a "non-starter." C, C++, and Java
> are the only languages considered. Ada wasn't even on the radar screen
> until I brought it up. Also, I get the impression that professors who
> study safety-critical systems are mostly using Java. "Real-time Java"
> is gaining major momentum, and I fear that it could crush Ada.

I find the idea that ATM systems might be programmed in C, C++, or
Java quite terrifying.

With C and C++, at least everyone knows they are skating on thin ice.

But Java has been sold as 'secure' and 'easy to use'.

In fact its concurrency support is sloppy, in ways that are highly likely to
cause latent errors. The RTSJ 'real time' fixup engineering that has been
done on it is a quixotic attempt to fit it for a completely inappropriate
mode of use and does little or nothing to remedy its intrinsic defects.

-- 
Bill-Findlay chez blue-yonder.co.uk ("-" => "")





  reply	other threads:[~2003-04-23 18:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-04-23  7:06 Ada in Iraq Russ
2003-04-23 10:52 ` Preben Randhol
2003-04-23 10:59   ` Samuel Tardieu
2003-04-23 11:08     ` Preben Randhol
2003-04-23 17:18       ` tmoran
2003-04-23 17:51       ` Russ
2003-04-23 18:07         ` Bill Findlay [this message]
2003-04-24  5:51         ` Stefan Scholl
2003-04-24 11:32           ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-04-24 14:03             ` Wesley Groleau
2003-04-29 16:50               ` Colin Paul Gloster
2003-04-29 17:43               ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-04-30  3:22                 ` Wesley Groleau
2003-04-30 13:37                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-04-30 15:13                     ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-04-25  1:12         ` Russ
2003-04-25  5:34           ` John R. Strohm
2003-04-26  3:25             ` Wesley Groleau
2003-04-25  5:55           ` Stefan Scholl
2003-04-25  8:20           ` John McCabe
2003-04-25  8:33           ` Anders Wirzenius
2003-05-12 12:01             ` Wesley Parish
2003-04-25 15:01           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-04-25 15:13             ` Samuel Tardieu
2003-04-25 15:46               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-04-28  8:17                 ` John McCabe
2003-04-29 17:43                   ` Colin Paul Gloster
2003-04-25 19:42             ` John R. Strohm
2003-04-25 20:42               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-04-25 23:57                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-04-26  6:48                 ` John R. Strohm
2003-04-26 22:24                   ` Frode Tennebø
2003-04-27  3:11                     ` John R. Strohm
2003-04-28  8:20                     ` John McCabe
2003-04-28 21:16                       ` Frode Tennebø
2003-04-29  8:16                         ` John McCabe
2003-04-26  3:38               ` AG
2003-04-27 19:57                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-04-27 20:32                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-04-26  3:29             ` Wesley Groleau
2003-04-27 20:07               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-04-27 20:37                 ` Preben Randhol
2003-04-27 22:00                   ` Wesley Groleau
2003-04-27 23:19                 ` John R. Strohm
2003-04-28 16:45                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-04-28 17:33                     ` Preben Randhol
2003-04-28 20:46                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-04-29  6:21                         ` Preben Randhol
2003-04-29 13:35                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-04-29 13:57                             ` Steve
2003-04-29 14:02                             ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-04-29 14:12                             ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-04-29 16:15                             ` Jerry Petrey
2003-04-30  8:02                               ` John McCabe
2003-04-30 18:20                                 ` Wesley Groleau
2003-04-30 20:14                                 ` Marc A. Criley
2003-04-29 18:40                             ` Wesley Groleau
2003-04-25 17:46           ` Mike Silva
2003-04-25 19:52             ` John R. Strohm
2003-04-26  3:33             ` Wesley Groleau
2003-04-27 20:00               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-04-27 21:55                 ` Wesley Groleau
2003-04-28 17:33                 ` Mike Silva
2003-04-28 17:34                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-04-26 16:18           ` Richard Riehle
2003-04-28  8:29             ` John McCabe
2003-04-28 13:36               ` Steve
2003-04-29 18:33           ` Colin Paul Gloster
2003-04-30  8:09             ` John McCabe
2003-04-30 22:55               ` Colin Paul Gloster
2003-04-25 20:00         ` Simon Wright
2003-04-23 15:51   ` Robert C. Leif
2003-04-23 18:52     ` Bernd Specht
2003-04-23 19:06     ` Preben Randhol
2003-04-24  5:27       ` Robert C. Leif
2003-04-23 20:28     ` Stefan Scholl
2003-04-24  0:39       ` Preben Randhol
2003-04-24  5:27         ` Robert C. Leif
2003-04-24 15:21           ` Preben Randhol
2003-04-24 17:19             ` Jerry Petrey
2003-04-25  8:28               ` John McCabe
2003-04-29 17:08                 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2003-04-30  8:19                   ` John McCabe
2003-04-30 22:59                     ` Colin Paul Gloster
2003-05-01  8:17                       ` John McCabe
2003-04-25 12:38               ` Preben Randhol
2003-04-24  1:36       ` Russ
2003-04-24  5:27       ` Robert C. Leif
2003-04-24  5:55         ` Stefan Scholl
2003-04-24 10:40     ` John McCabe
2003-04-24 14:06       ` Wesley Groleau
2003-04-24 15:24         ` Preben Randhol
2003-04-24 18:17           ` Wesley Groleau
2003-04-25  5:58         ` Stefan Scholl
2003-04-29 17:01           ` [OT derived from] " Colin Paul Gloster
2003-04-23 16:16 ` Marc A. Criley
2003-04-24  2:18 ` BurnsedBW
2003-04-24 15:38   ` Jerry Petrey
     [not found] ` <eb7kn-i6c.ln1@beastie.ix.netcom.com>
2003-04-24 13:47   ` Wesley Groleau
2003-04-25  0:18 ` Richard Riehle
2003-04-25  5:37   ` John R. Strohm
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-04-24  2:37 Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2003-04-24 19:45 ` W D Tate
2003-04-25  6:25   ` AG
2003-04-25 16:21 Beard, Frank Randolph CIV
2003-04-25 17:43 Lionel.DRAGHI
2003-04-25 18:53 ` Chad R. Meiners
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