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From: "Marin David Condic" <dont.bother.mcondic.auntie.spam@[acm.org>
Subject: Re: Future with Ada
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:59:12 -0500
Date: 2001-11-26T20:59:17+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9tuaf5$mg7$1@nh.pace.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: K5+QUda6Bu6Z@eisner.encompasserve.org

O.K. I'm willing to stand corrected. Perhaps there are some companies with
some jobs for which there is an existing clearance requirement. In all the
times I have dealt with defense contractors and in the experience of many of
the people I know in that business, its usually required that you be
*clearable* rather than already cleared. (Although it can get tough to
interview for a job on a project that doesn't exist and you don't have SAR
clearance for it - they can't ask you too many specific questions and they
can't give you *any* answers! {been there, done that} :-)

If Raytheon requires you already be cleared, I'd wonder if it was for some
specific job or is that a general policy? It would give them a bit of
chicken-and-egg problem if they insisted on it across the board, eh? That's
generally why I'd be skeptical of any claim that defense contractors working
with Ada would want an existing clearance in most cases. How do you hire
fresh-outs? Are the only people you can ever hire the ones that work for
your competitors who *did* bite the bullet and get their people clearances?
What happens if all the players follow that policy & the folks with existing
clearances retire?

I do know that it is usually easier/faster to get a clearance if you have
had one in recent history rather than applying for one for the first time or
trying to renew one that has been inactive for a number of years. But
companies still do it - it just takes longer.

MDC
--
Marin David Condic
Senior Software Engineer
Pace Micro Technology Americas    www.pacemicro.com
Enabling the digital revolution
e-Mail:    marin.condic@pacemicro.com
Web:      http://www.mcondic.com/


"Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message
news:K5+QUda6Bu6Z@eisner.encompasserve.org...
> In article <9ttmmk$dg9$1@nh.pace.co.uk>, "Marin David Condic"
<dont.bother.mcondic.auntie.spam@[acm.org> writes:
>
> The phrases "Full-Time Employee" and "Existing clearance required" are
> both present in the Raytheon page:
>
>
http://www.headhunter.net/JobSeeker/Jobs/JobDetails.asp?did=JZ46T64B5WGN6586
88&CiBookMark=1&strCrit=QS%3Ddom%5Fbookmarks%3BQID%3DA3844800433238%3Bst%3Da
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Thread overview: 264+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-11-09 17:59 Future with Ada Michal Nowak
2001-11-10  0:44 ` Adrian Hoe
2001-11-10 13:28 ` Frode Tennebø
2001-11-10 23:09   ` Michal Nowak
2001-11-11 15:10     ` Preben Randhol
2001-11-11 22:31       ` Michal Nowak
2001-11-10 17:31 ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-10 23:09   ` Michal Nowak
2001-11-25  9:50   ` ben
2001-11-26 15:21     ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-26 19:48       ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-11-26 20:59         ` Marin David Condic [this message]
2001-11-26 23:33           ` Jerry Petrey
2001-11-27 14:24             ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-26 22:56         ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-01 18:43     ` Richard Riehle
2001-12-01 21:29       ` Suzie Cube
2001-12-10 16:25         ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-10 17:03           ` Larry Hazel
2001-12-10 17:19             ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-10 17:34               ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-10 18:10                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-12-10 18:25                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-02  0:19       ` IsraelRT
2001-12-02  0:46       ` Brian Rogoff
2001-12-02 19:58         ` Richard Riehle
2001-12-03 17:25           ` Wes Groleau
2001-12-10 16:39             ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-10 20:30               ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-12-11 15:15                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-11 16:56                   ` Darren New
2001-12-11 17:14                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-12  1:47                       ` Richard Riehle
2001-12-12  2:47                         ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-12-12  6:38                           ` Mark Biggar
2001-12-12 10:53                             ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-12-12 14:35                               ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-12 17:45                                 ` Peter Hend�n
2001-12-12 19:35                                 ` Mark Lundquist
2001-12-12 20:55                                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-16 13:34                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-12-12 14:55                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-12 18:02                           ` tmoran
2001-12-22 19:58                           ` Gerhard Häring
2001-12-28 21:12                             ` Containers package Eric Merritt
2001-12-29 14:11                               ` Michael Erdmann
2001-12-29 23:03                                 ` Eric Merritt
2001-12-31  2:58                                   ` Nick Roberts
2001-12-31 15:09                                     ` Eric Merritt
2001-12-31 23:19                                       ` Containers package (Tenet) Nick Roberts
2002-01-01  5:45                                     ` Containers package Ted Dennison
2002-01-01 23:30                                       ` Nick Roberts
2002-01-02  0:26                                         ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-29 22:13                               ` Marc A. Criley
2001-12-12 21:49                       ` Future with Ada Darren New
2001-12-14 20:22                         ` Mark Lundquist
2001-12-11 20:36                     ` XML and Ada was " Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-12-12  8:33                   ` rob
2001-12-12 15:03                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-16 13:48                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-12-16 16:17                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-12-16 16:21                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-12-17 15:10                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-17 22:32                           ` Ian S. Nelson
2001-12-17 23:11                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-18 15:49                             ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-12-18 16:41                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-19 16:33                                 ` Mr. Caffiene
2001-12-19 17:57                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-19 21:07                                     ` Ian S. Nelson
2001-12-19 21:20                                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-19 18:36                                   ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-12-19 19:49                                     ` tmoran
2001-12-19 20:16                                       ` Eric Merritt
2001-12-19 21:11                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-21 14:15                                           ` Eric Merritt
2001-12-20 19:50                                       ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-20 21:37                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2001-12-21 15:42                                           ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-19 20:37                                     ` Ian S. Nelson
2001-12-19 23:36                                   ` Michal Nowak
2001-12-19 23:36                                 ` Michal Nowak
2002-01-21 22:28                                   ` Harri J Haataja
2001-12-18 12:56                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-12-12 17:03                     ` Ian S. Nelson
2001-12-13 17:43                     ` Mark Lundquist
2001-12-13 20:13                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-14 19:49                         ` Mark Lundquist
2001-12-14 19:59                           ` Pat Rogers
2001-12-14 21:00                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-14 23:02                               ` Pat Rogers
2001-12-17  8:15                                 ` Mark Lundquist
2001-12-17 15:27                                   ` Pat Rogers
2001-12-17 16:29                                     ` Brian Rogoff
2001-12-17 17:05                                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-17 15:43                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-17  8:15                               ` Mark Lundquist
2001-12-17 16:03                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-17  8:15                             ` Mark Lundquist
2001-12-14 20:31                           ` James Rogers
2001-12-15  1:33                             ` Richard Riehle
2001-12-15 16:35                               ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-12-16 14:09                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-12-16 15:32                                 ` Eric Merritt
2001-12-17 16:31                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-15  2:44                             ` Eric Merritt
2001-12-14 20:39                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-18 23:01                             ` Mark Lundquist
2001-12-19 15:00                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-20  7:23                                 ` tmoran
2001-12-20 22:30                                 ` tmoran
2001-12-20 22:43                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-19 20:50                               ` Wes Groleau
2001-12-19  0:12                             ` Portable GUI (was Re: Future with Ada) Mark Lundquist
2001-12-19  7:36                               ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-12-20  5:00                                 ` Steve Doiel
2001-12-20  6:19                                   ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-12-20 14:33                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-20 20:53                                 ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-20 21:14                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-21 14:53                                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-21 15:08                                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-21 16:40                                         ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-21 16:26                                   ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-12-19 15:07                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-19 15:14                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-19 16:53                               ` Darren New
2001-12-19 17:50                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-20 19:37                                   ` Richard Riehle
2001-12-20 20:05                                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-20 20:07                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-20 20:28                                     ` Stephen Leake
2001-12-21 17:18                                       ` Richard Riehle
2001-12-22 18:16                                     ` Michal Nowak
2001-12-02 20:26         ` Future with Ada Michal Nowak
2001-12-02 19:55       ` Michal Nowak
2001-12-03 14:53         ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-07 16:54         ` Richard Riehle
2001-12-07 17:14           ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-09 10:56           ` Thomas Mueller
2001-12-09 13:57             ` David C. Hoos, Sr.
2001-12-11 17:45           ` Michal Nowak
2001-12-03 14:52       ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-12 21:56       ` John Kern
2002-02-26  2:22       ` Michael Card
2002-02-26  4:12         ` Jim Rogers
2002-02-27  1:23           ` Adrian Hoe
2002-02-27 17:51           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-02-28 17:00             ` Richard Riehle
2002-02-28 21:24               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-02-28 17:45             ` Michal Nowak
2002-02-28 18:53               ` Hyman Rosen
2002-02-28 19:24                 ` Ed Falis
2002-03-01  0:52                   ` Adrian Hoe
2002-03-01 18:11                     ` Pascal Obry
2002-03-02  1:20                       ` Adrian Hoe
2002-02-28 21:43                 ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-01  5:18                 ` Richard Riehle
2002-03-01  5:23                   ` Dave Poirier
2002-03-01 16:45                   ` Michal Nowak
2002-03-01 11:10                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-03-03  8:28                   ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-05 18:40                   ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2002-03-01 16:48                 ` Michal Nowak
2002-03-01 17:26                 ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-03-03  8:26                   ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-03 13:28                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-03-03 17:47                     ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-03-04 16:30                       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-04 19:28                         ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-03-05 17:03                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-03-05  1:41                         ` Richard Riehle
2002-03-05 21:35                           ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-05 22:04                             ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-06  8:33                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-03-06 11:46                               ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-03-06 15:03                                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-07 16:08                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-03-07 16:25                                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-09 14:51                                   ` Gary Scott
2002-03-09 15:13                                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-09 15:54                                     ` named control statements (was: Future with Ada) Wes Groleau
2002-03-09 16:40                                       ` Gary Scott
2002-03-09 20:53                                       ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-03-06 16:36                               ` Future with Ada Georg Bauhaus
2002-03-06 17:27                                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-07 16:04                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-03-07 16:42                                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-11 13:52                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-03-11 20:02                                       ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-11 23:56                                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-12 16:47                                           ` code partitioning (was: Future with Ada) Wes Groleau
2002-03-12 17:56                                             ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-13 13:42                                               ` labeling (was: partitioning (was: Future)) Wes Groleau
2002-03-14 12:46                                                 ` Michal Nowak
2002-03-14 17:27                                                   ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-14 20:27                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-15  8:00                                                 ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2002-03-15 15:10                                                   ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-14 15:27                                               ` code partitioning (was: Future with Ada) John R. Strohm
2002-03-15 14:15                                                 ` Ted Dennison
2002-03-16 10:37                                                   ` Kevin Cline
2002-03-13 12:26                                           ` Future with Ada John English
2002-03-13 14:15                                             ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-14  3:34                                               ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-14 15:36                                                 ` John R. Strohm
2002-03-14 17:43                                                   ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-14 11:59                                               ` John English
2002-03-13 15:16                                           ` Kevin Cline
2002-03-13 17:55                                             ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-14 15:21                                           ` John R. Strohm
2002-03-07 20:52                                   ` Kevin Cline
2002-03-07 22:12                                     ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-03-11 18:43                                       ` Kevin Cline
2002-03-11 22:53                                         ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-03-06 17:07                               ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-05  3:45                         ` Brian Rogoff
2002-03-04  1:45                     ` Eric Merritt
2002-03-04  6:03                       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-04 13:44                         ` Eric Merritt
2002-03-04 16:01                           ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-04 18:14                             ` Eric Merritt
2002-03-04 16:46                           ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2002-03-04 17:08                             ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-04 18:15                             ` Eric Merritt
2002-03-05 16:54                             ` Pascal Obry
2002-03-05 17:26                               ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2002-03-04 20:06                     ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-02-27  1:30         ` Adrian Hoe
2002-02-27 20:09         ` Ken Pinard
2002-03-09 20:19         ` Richard Riehle
2001-11-11 20:13 ` Ehud Lamm
2001-11-11 22:32   ` Michal Nowak
2001-11-13 21:43     ` Maciej Sobczak
2001-11-14 16:26       ` Don
2001-11-14 19:32       ` Mark Lundquist
2001-11-14 19:46         ` David C. Hoos
2001-11-15  0:02           ` Mark Lundquist
2001-11-24 23:21           ` Florian Weimer
2001-11-14 21:22         ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-14 21:50       ` Michal Nowak
2001-11-15  7:39         ` Preben Randhol
2001-11-15 14:59           ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-15 15:44             ` Preben Randhol
2001-11-15 16:00         ` John English
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-03-06  6:05 Christoph Grein
2002-03-06  9:24 ` Pascal Obry
2002-03-06 16:43   ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-03-06 15:05 ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-07 13:51   ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-06  7:14 Christoph Grein
2002-03-06  8:43 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-03-07  7:49 Christoph Grein
2002-03-07 14:06 ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-08  7:24 Christoph Grein
2002-03-08 13:58 ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-03-08 16:08 ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-11 12:39   ` John English
2002-03-08 16:34 ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-03-08 19:41   ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-09  1:21     ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-03-11  5:37 Christoph Grein
2002-03-11 13:28 ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-03-11 12:56 Christoph Grein
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