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From: "Marin David Condic" <dont.bother.mcondic.auntie.spam@[acm.org>
Subject: Re: Container reqs
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 09:53:09 -0500
Date: 2001-10-30T14:53:11+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9rmesn$n0e$1@nh.pace.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: m7jsttod28l58b9betgcm8n6q5lue6oo5o@4ax.com

Well, it can. The thing is you have to ask "What do you mean by task
safety?" For relatively simple subprograms and data, you might get by with
reentrancy and atomic access to global data. For more complex data
structures, you have to protect updates more thoroughly within protected
types. You have to understand the issues surrounding the particular data you
are accessing and the algorithms you are using to access the data. You
either have, or can create mechanisms for handling it - but you need to
understand tasks and protected types.

I am afraid I don't know what the RAII idiom is all about so I don't know if
there is a direct parallel in Ada. But I don't know of any C++ construct
that does a) Tasking and/or b) Protected types so I imagine if you want true
thread safety, you've got to implement some kind of semaphore or locking
mechanism - which can become butt-ugly and lead to some interesting mutex
bugs.

Can you elaborate?

MDC
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Marin David Condic
Senior Software Engineer
Pace Micro Technology Americas    www.pacemicro.com
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"Barry Kelly" <dynagen@eircom.net> wrote in message
news:m7jsttod28l58b9betgcm8n6q5lue6oo5o@4ax.com...
> In article <9qi2c8$gpb$1@nh.pace.co.uk>
> "Marin David Condic" <dont.bother.mcondic.auntie.spam@[acm.org>
> wrote:
>
> > If you wish to keep the realtime/embedded crowd happy, you need to have
> > task-safe versions.
>
> C++ can implement task safety using the RAII (resource aquisition is
> initialization) idiom, which eliminates the need for creating a whole
> new type for task-safe access to structures.
>
> Why can't Ada do this?
>
> -- Barry





  reply	other threads:[~2001-10-30 14:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 114+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-10-14 20:46 Container reqs Ehud Lamm
2001-10-14 22:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-15 20:04   ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-16 15:19     ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-16 19:17     ` Darren New
2001-10-14 22:52 ` James Rogers
2001-10-15  1:22   ` Darren New
2001-10-15 20:06   ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-16 18:29     ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-17  5:55     ` Simon Wright
2001-10-15 20:15   ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-15  6:49 ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-16 15:25   ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-17 12:40     ` John English
2001-10-17 13:16       ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-18 15:26         ` John English
2001-10-18 16:02           ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-17 14:17       ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-23  8:17         ` John English
2001-10-23 14:23           ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-23 20:07             ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-23 20:46               ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-23 20:50               ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-23 21:18                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-24  8:30                   ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-24 14:08                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-25 20:10                       ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-25 21:18                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-25 21:25                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-23 21:27                 ` Larry Hazel
2001-10-23 22:03                   ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-15 14:27 ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-15 17:47   ` Darren New
2001-10-15 20:08   ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-17  6:08     ` Simon Wright
2001-10-18 20:52       ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-18 22:29         ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-19 12:10           ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-10-19 15:36           ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-19 14:53             ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-20 11:10               ` Simon Wright
2001-10-21 18:17               ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-22 17:02                 ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-22 17:34                   ` David Botton
2001-10-22 18:02                     ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-20  2:44             ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-21 18:24               ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-23  1:13               ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-23  2:09                 ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-23 13:29                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-24  2:26                     ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-24 13:54                       ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-24 14:02                         ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-24 14:24                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-24 19:01                         ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-25  1:40                         ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-15 14:39 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-15 15:36   ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-16 18:47     ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-16 19:18       ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-15 20:13   ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-16  8:14     ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-16  8:50       ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-16 10:12         ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-16  9:45   ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-10-16 13:20     ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-16 15:34       ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-16 18:49         ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-17  6:02         ` Simon Wright
2001-10-16 17:21     ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-16 18:57       ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-16 18:59       ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-16 19:38         ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-16 20:01           ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-16 20:19             ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-30  6:53           ` Barry Kelly
2001-10-30 14:53             ` Marin David Condic [this message]
2001-10-30 16:14             ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-10-30 16:55               ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-31  6:37                 ` Simon Wright
2001-10-30 17:45             ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-16 22:12         ` Robert*
2001-10-17  7:09       ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-10-17 13:36         ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-17 14:12           ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-10-17 15:15             ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-17 16:32               ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-10-17 16:49                 ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-17 16:55                   ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-18  7:39                 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-18  9:03                   ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-10-18 17:25                     ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-18 20:09                       ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-18 22:35                         ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-19  8:44                           ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-20 11:14                             ` Simon Wright
2001-10-21 16:37                               ` Paul Duquennoy
2001-10-17 17:18         ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-18  8:59           ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-10-18 19:42         ` Simon Wright
2001-10-18 20:55           ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-22  6:46       ` Kenneth Almquist
2001-10-22  8:04         ` mike
2001-10-22  8:42           ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-22 16:30         ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-22 17:14           ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-16 11:37 ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-10-16 13:23   ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-16 13:39     ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-10-16 15:36     ` Vincent Marciante
2001-10-16 16:15       ` Pat Rogers
2001-10-16 19:04     ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-16 15:53   ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-16 15:58     ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
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