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From: "Jean-Pierre Rosen" <rosen@adalog.fr>
Subject: Re: on package naming, should the word
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 10:40:47 +0200
Date: 2001-10-16T10:40:47+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9qgs1q$2si$1@s1.read.news.oleane.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 9qfi9q01ke@drn.newsguy.com

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"Robert*@" <Robert_member@newsguy.com> a �crit dans le message news: 9qfi9q01ke@drn.newsguy.com...
> If you "think" of a package as an object, then what do you "think" of
> when you think about the tagged record inside the package?
>
> An object inside an object?
>
> What do you see when you think of an array of object? an array of packages?
>
> All of this becuase Ada does not have a separate class construct that
> shows where a class starts and where it ends clearly. If anything Ada00 can
> fix, is this part of Ada.
>
Since this keeps going on, I can't resist to provide my own Euros 0.02 worth...

As noted before, Ada has no predefined paradigms. It has building blocks. All "classical" paradigms are design patterns. Here are
some useful ones:

A "class" in the usual sense: a tagged type inside a package, with primitive operations and nothing else.
Two "friends" classes: two tagged types in a package (with primitive operations).
Private inheritance: a tagged private type, whose full type is indirectly derived, i.e. (just a scheme, not something compilable):
   package My_Class is
      type Instance is new Other_Class.Instance with private;
      -- primitive operations
   private
      type Intermediate is new Other_Class with....
      type Instance is new Intermediate with....
   end My_Class;

All these constructs (and more) require special syntax in other languages. In Ada, you can build them by assembling the building
blocks in various ways. You can even build new paradigms that could not be possible in other languages without language changes.

The difference between Ada and other languages is the difference between Lego blocks and Playmobil. Playmobil pieces are very finely
defined for one purpose, but only one. It is almost impossible to mix a Playmobil piece from a box with pieces from other boxes. On
the other hand, Lego blocks are totally interoperative. It is the same round piece that serves as an umbrella in the Lego village,
as an parabollic antenna in the Space Lego, and as a shield in the Middle-Age Lego. The pieces in themselves have no predefined
usage: it is the way you assemble them with other pieces that gives their meaning.

I would advocate that Lego favours much more creativity than Playmobil...

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-10-16  8:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 130+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-10-04 19:58 on package naming, should the word "_pkg" be part of it? mike
2001-10-04 20:34 ` Larry Hazel
2001-10-04 20:54   ` Pascal Obry
2001-10-04 21:04   ` on package naming, should the word Ted Dennison
2001-10-04 22:00     ` Preben Randhol
2001-10-04 22:13       ` Brian Rogoff
2001-10-04 23:38         ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-04 23:43           ` Preben Randhol
2001-10-05  0:40             ` MM
2001-10-05  3:22               ` Brian Rogoff
2001-10-04 22:09     ` tmoran
2001-10-05 14:21       ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-04 20:53 ` on package naming, should the word "_pkg" be part of it? Marin David Condic
2001-10-05  9:24   ` John McCabe
2001-10-05 10:35     ` mike
2001-10-05 13:29       ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-05 14:17         ` mike
2001-10-05 14:39       ` on package naming, should the word Ted Dennison
2001-10-05 15:07         ` mike
2001-10-05 15:56           ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-05 16:12             ` Francisco Javier Loma Daza
2001-10-06  9:16               ` Simon Wright
2001-10-06 12:36               ` Marc A. Criley
2001-10-05 16:52       ` on package naming, should the word "_pkg" be part of it? Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-05 12:54     ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-05 17:11     ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-05 18:52       ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-05 19:17       ` Vincent Marciante
2001-10-08  8:26         ` John McCabe
2001-10-05  1:55 ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-06  9:25   ` Simon Wright
2001-10-07 19:49     ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-07 21:12       ` Brian Rogoff
2001-10-08 14:51       ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-08 16:11         ` Francisco Javier Loma Daza
2001-10-08 16:17           ` John McCabe
2001-10-09  7:41             ` Francisco Javier Loma Daza
2001-10-10  8:04               ` John McCabe
2001-10-10  9:47                 ` John McCabe
2001-10-10 10:17                   ` Francisco Javier Loma Daza
2001-10-10 10:27                   ` Francisco Javier Loma Daza
2001-10-10 12:50                     ` John McCabe
2001-10-10 13:41                       ` Francisco Javier Loma Daza
2001-10-08 16:25         ` Robert*
2001-10-08 19:50           ` Matthew Woodcraft
2001-10-08 16:37         ` on package naming, should the word Ted Dennison
2001-10-08 16:41         ` on package naming, should the word "_pkg" be part of it? Vincent Marciante
2001-10-08 18:50           ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-08 19:46             ` Vincent Marciante
2001-10-08 16:58         ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-08 19:06           ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-08 19:43             ` Brian Rogoff
2001-10-09 14:22               ` on package naming, should the word Ted Dennison
2001-10-10  5:24                 ` Richard Riehle
2001-10-09 23:02               ` on package naming, should the word "_pkg" be part of it? Darren New
2001-10-10  0:55                 ` Brian Rogoff
2001-10-10  1:48                   ` Robert*
2001-10-10  2:28                     ` Brian Rogoff
2001-10-10 15:10                       ` Darren New
2001-10-10 18:38                         ` tmoran
2001-10-10 19:30                           ` Darren New
2001-10-10  9:51                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-10 13:05                     ` John McCabe
2001-10-10 15:37                       ` Pascal Obry
2001-10-10 17:05                         ` Steven Deller
2001-10-10 17:54                           ` Pascal Obry
2001-10-11  8:35                         ` John McCabe
2001-10-10 15:53                       ` M. A. Alves
2001-10-10 18:53                         ` Robert*
2001-10-11  6:54                           ` Preben Randhol
2001-10-11 12:07                             ` Robert*
2001-10-11 12:40                               ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-11 14:24                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-11 15:17                                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-11 15:34                                   ` Robert*
2001-10-11 17:41                                     ` David Starner
2001-10-12  8:25                                       ` John McCabe
2001-10-12  9:07                                         ` Ian Wild
2001-10-12 10:16                                           ` John McCabe
2001-10-12 12:04                                             ` Ian Wild
2001-10-12 17:01                                         ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-15  8:18                                           ` John McCabe
2001-10-15 18:21                                             ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-15 19:00                                               ` Pascal Obry
2001-10-15 20:26                                             ` on package naming, should the word Ted Dennison
2001-10-15 20:52                                               ` Robert*
2001-10-15 21:57                                                 ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-15 22:40                                                 ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-16  8:40                                                 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen [this message]
2001-10-16 12:49                                               ` John McCabe
2001-10-16 16:57                                                 ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-17  8:23                                                   ` John McCabe
2001-10-11 18:37                                     ` on package naming, should the word "_pkg" be part of it? M. A. Alves
2001-10-11 19:39                                       ` on package naming, should the word Ted Dennison
2001-10-12 11:23                                         ` M. A. Alves
2001-10-13 17:32                                           ` Richard Riehle
2001-10-11 21:03                                       ` on package naming, should the word "_pkg" be part of it? Preben Randhol
2001-10-12  8:35                                         ` John McCabe
2001-10-12 11:35                                           ` M. A. Alves
2001-10-11 21:01                                     ` Preben Randhol
2001-10-12  2:04                                       ` David Starner
2001-10-12  9:02                                         ` Preben Randhol
2001-10-12 19:15                                           ` David Starner
2001-10-13 11:26                                             ` Preben Randhol
2001-10-12  2:29                                       ` Brian Rogoff
2001-10-12  8:45                                         ` Preben Randhol
2001-10-12 10:20                                           ` John McCabe
2001-10-12 14:54                                           ` on package naming, should the word Ted Dennison
2001-10-12 19:21                                           ` on package naming, should the word "_pkg" be part of it? David Starner
2001-10-12 21:23                                             ` Vector..
2001-10-13  2:13                                               ` Brian Rogoff
2001-10-13  3:21                                             ` Mark Biggar
2001-10-15 16:18                                       ` John McCabe
2001-10-11 13:19                               ` Preben Randhol
2001-10-11 13:42                               ` on package naming, should the word Ted Dennison
2001-10-11 15:18                                 ` Robert*
2001-10-11 15:47                                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-11 16:15                                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-11 16:15                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-11 20:16                                   ` Simon Wright
2001-10-12  8:33                                     ` John McCabe
2001-10-12 16:27                                       ` Darren New
2001-10-14 20:34                                   ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2001-10-14 22:03                                     ` Robert*
2001-10-15 12:04                                       ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-15 21:17                                         ` Florian Weimer
2001-10-15  6:50                               ` on package naming, should the word "_pkg" be part of it? Mats Karlssohn
2001-10-15 10:24                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-18 16:23           ` Robert A Duff
2001-10-05  6:05 ` MM
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